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Well said.

The Amazing Renpytom? I'm totally behind this thread title, BTW. I'm still really astonished Tom made this engine for free, and keeps updating it. Not only has RenPy allowed hundreds of people to express and share creative work, I feel like in and of itself it's a little gateway into programming simple games, much like the Scratch engine.

I dunno what kind of things happened in the past, but my personal rule is: try not to piss of the guy who gives you free toys. And I'll also try not to create distractions for him that having nothing to do with the actual engine itself. Only my .02. Your opinions may vary.

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Ah, in every community there are some people who think they can outsmart the staff (I'm a man with LOTS of experience with that)...

I'm still fairly new here, and in my time here I kept an eye on the staff, mainly Tom since I see him the most everywhere, and I'd like to say that I'm kinda proud to be part of this community, the staff does it's job very well, the people here are rather nice, reasonable and intelligent, and I have yet to see any douchebags here, and that's probably because the staff does it's job...

Also a small off-topic question: Where can I find the IRC chat? I've been searching for it but couldn't find it anywhere...

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i agree that pytom is a nice guy but his decision as a moderator is questionable sometimes. Here is my complain about him:
he doesn't have a problem with mentioning people names along with their punishment/warning in public .. even when it's only about trivial matter (i've seen it lots of times, not just in this thread). It hurts and create more hostility instead of making people obey rules consciously. When some people make mistake, a PM should be enough to warn him/her .. no need for public humiliation.

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@EroBoton To go on this "mentioning ban and reason" tangent, given most of when I see him do this it is for threads where the person in question is making a public spectacle, it makes sense that he would announce it to those who are bystanders getting involved and keep them in the loop. To me anyway.
Better than just having them disappear and come back, only to call him out publicly anyway (which I have seen happen on MULTIPLE forums I frequent, and two that I moderate). But this is just my opinion, I think the mods here actually do a pretty decent-good job at the very LEAST, given how horrible some other forums I have been to are.

I don't agree with him quite a bit actually, on a few subjects, but I don't think disagreements are a reason to make a thread like this or call him a "dick". Or even THINK he is one. I disagree with everyone on some points, even my roommates, calling them dicks for that would be rather... over the top in my mind. Other than what we disagree on he doesn't seem nearly that bad. (I am trying so hard not to pick a side, but I read the other threads and... oh boy)

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it happens in trivial matter too, like when people say:" do u like this game?" I've seen it happen twice, both to a newbie

I think a moderator should be wiser and more patient than common forum member. I don't mind if pytom announce that some people is guilty once or two times when the problem is severe ... but since he seems to do it a lot regardless of the problem's severity, I begin to worry a bit

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One thing to consider is that without mentioning that something is wrong publicly, others may think that nothing is wrong, and they may do it themselves. By writing a public warning/suggestion, the public learns what is and isn't acceptable. Otherwise, we end up with the mentality of "Well, this guy did it, so it's okay, right?" and "Well, no... I sent him a warning, but it was privately through PM, so you'd have no way of knowing."

I don't think mentioning that something is wrong is a bad thing. PyTom is definitely not trigger happy. He doesn't instantly jump on new members saying "Hey, don't post like that! Next time, I'm banning the heck out of you!" Every instance that I've seen him give warnings on this forum has been civil and polite, not attacking.

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Not really checking the forums any more due to time constraints, so if you want to contact me, PM. I'll get a notification and log in.
Also, I've been hit and run posting, which means I don't see many replies. If you want to respond to something I've said, also feel free to PM me.

I have never ONCE seen Py'Tom or any other moderator discipline a member for poor grammar, particularly not in the last 45 or so days that you've been a member of the forums.

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edit:@blackpanda: people has different degree of tolerance .. what's ok for some people might not be ok for others

anyway, I hope my critiques help this forum ... .

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I think all moderation actions should preferably be public. That way, there's a) transparency in how the rules are actually being enforced and b) people see concrete examples of what kind of conduct is permissible and what is not.

I don't like the idea of people being banned in secret meetings just as a matter of principle.

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Personally, I think PyTom is a good guy. Okay, he is not a man without fault (then again, who is?) but he is definitely not a dick.

Meeting with people means there will be a disagreement. Disagree about something with someone is a normal part of daily interaction. So it's very normal if you disagree something with PyTom... but because Pytom is the admin here, the problem suddenly seems get bigger. But I believe disagree with PyTom and breaking forum rules is entirely different matter.

Admins team have their limitation and it's hard to make decision that will make everyone happy. We discuss a lot of things about what to do and what not, so it's not like PyTom is trigger-happy. In the end though, admins teams is only a group of human being...

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I don't like the idea of people being reprimanded in public and put into a corner with a dunce hat on for using "u" instead of "you".

Bans may be a different matter, as someone who was banned is no longer a member of the forum anyway. But any sort of moderation action that somehow penalizes an offender needs to remain between the staff and the offender, unless the offender decides to make it public. In that case, of course, the staff should go public as well, for the sake of transparency. But without the offender consenting, anything that reflects badly on users' behavior should not be published.

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I'm with Taleweaver on this one.
Being reprimanded in public makes it much harder to admit that you are the person at fault, that you wronged someone. It's much easier to blame the moderators or the other party. Another problem are bystanders who have nothing to do with the problem but still want to contribute to it. That can escalate really quickly.
In all forums I've been conflicts between users and/or mods was always handled in private over PMs and forum drama was much smaller then here even though I doubt the number of incidents per user was any different. Of course some people still try to drag things into the open, but their chance of success is a matter of the community. It's not necessary to bite every bait.

Regarding the transparency issue. It would be enough to include a note that the staff is handling things and remind people to follow the rules. I, and that may be just me, feel that everything more is just voyeurism. Not unlike people who stand around road accidents and crime scenes. The interest is more in personal entertainment and moral gratification instead of in justice or the good of the community.

And that blog, let's just say that it shows the character of our dear former user pretty well and speaks for itself.

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