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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:24 am 
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It's hard to say. I like shonen and sport, but I have never successfully write anything in that genre. I draw girls in pretty dresses, but I absolutely hate shoujo, and I don't like wearing dress in real life. I like characters who drink and gamble in fiction, but in real life, I don't like people who do both. I also like assassins/evil twisted characters, but I would run 1000 miles away if I see one in real life. Some stuff just look good and cooler in fiction.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:49 am 
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I partially disagree with that statment since if that were true I would possibly be thought of as a sociopathic killer there really wouldn't be that many interesting stories. I think that maybe the author's interests and mood get reflected in their work, but not really themselves.


I disagree on the basis that it takes a certain kind of person to write a story about a sociopathic killer. Murdering senselessly is seldom high on the list of qualities others want to advertise themselves with, and so few sociopathic killers will likely go out to write about themselves and their hobbies, but it still takes a certain kind of author to write that work, and to direct its flow.

An author who has always had hardships in his life and managed to rise up by the strength of his own will and efforts may reflect that in the sociopathic killer's story, someone with a merry outlook on life may positively insist the story receives a happy ending, and a more morbid person would make a more morbid ending; you cannot remove the author's personality from their writing, as it is your ideas, feelings and thoughts that guide the flow of the story and the personalities of the characters.

I like comedy. It is one of the things I enjoy reading and watching. I cannot write comedy, however; this is a part of myself that reflects in writing by being serious and un-comedic. Writing is scary because you expose a part of yourself to the world and then put it up for criticism.


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I just hope that after playing Hired Gun 2 and Hired Gun 3, people won't think that the author is a ruthless killer himself.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:57 am 
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I also like assassins/evil twisted characters, but I would run 1000 miles away if I see one in real life. Some stuff just look good and cooler in fiction.


That's exactly what I think... but nevertheless: I invent my stories, they have to be a part of me in some way (and if they are only good to reduce stress and hate... nevermind :D )
Also I like it to pretend, my characters were somewhat real, what makes their personality easier to grasp... I don't think, any of my MCs behaves like I would in certain situations. But since I write most stories because I can't find the right stuff to read, they must reflect my personality a bit, or at least, what I like and what I don't like ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:10 am 
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Applegate wrote:
I disagree on the basis that it takes a certain kind of person to write a story about a sociopathic killer. Murdering senselessly is seldom high on the list of qualities others want to advertise themselves with, and so few sociopathic killers will likely go out to write about themselves and their hobbies, but it still takes a certain kind of author to write that work, and to direct its flow.


But many of what I wrote are based on fictional stuff I watch/read/play. How many here have made stories about high school in Japan even if they have never experienced it? I like to write about a sociopathic killer, but that's just because I have read some awesome fiction involving such characters and I get inspired to write one. Does that mean I like sociopaths? Like I'd said, I would run very faraway if I encounter one in real life.

Certainly I believe I injected many of my thoughts into what I wrote, but much of it are still fiction, inspired by things I see. Togashi Yoshihiro is one of my most favorite mangaka who wrote stuff that can make an adult churn their stomach. Do I question his sanity? No. All I see is that he's an insanely creative person.


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Certainly I believe I injected many of my thoughts into what I wrote, but much of it are still fiction, inspired by things I see. Togashi Yoshihiro is one of my most favorite mangaka who wrote stuff that can make an adult churn their stomach. Do I question his sanity? No. All I see is that he's an insanely creative person.

Haha I remember reading that Togashi loves horror movies and often his most creepy/bloody chapters were written shortly after watching one. XD Apparently he got a lot of complaints, so now he tries not to watch them before working. (another sign that a person's work often reflects their mood) But I love Togashi, too. <3

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:53 am 
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Sometimes the genre makes it difficult to reflect certain attributes without making them anvilicious, which is why my pro-poly attitude tends not to show up much in games. Allowing the player to pursue multiple unrelated interests at once is an enormous headache to write!

Which is sort of sad, as I'm tired of seeing people say that School Days is a "realistic" depiction of what happens if you try to date more than one person at a time. (Maybe, if everyone involved is completely mental.)

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Papillon, I'm suddenly reminded of an article/rant I've read, now (which was kind of about not dating jerk asses or treating people badly). 8|

On topic: considering I'm fond of satire and making points about certain things, yeah, my writing probably reflects my general attitude. Not always, though.

@Mirage: Sure, that's a reasonable thing to say, but considering how many girls seem like they would ACTUALLY date Edward Cullen...

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:16 pm 
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Of course, I've never said that's always the case. I'm sure there are plenty who write based on their life experiences and things they like. But there's always exception to rule. Saying everyone who write disturbing story insane is kinda...sad, you know. Maybe there are some who are truly disturbed, but I don't think I'm one...I hope. <___< >___>


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:02 pm 
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It seems like a lot of people are missing the point:

It isn't WHAT you wrote about that reveals something about you,
it is WHY you chose that subject to write about that says something about you.

It is a subtle but very important difference.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:46 pm 
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Mirage wrote:
Applegate wrote:
I disagree on the basis that it takes a certain kind of person to write a story about a sociopathic killer. Murdering senselessly is seldom high on the list of qualities others want to advertise themselves with, and so few sociopathic killers will likely go out to write about themselves and their hobbies, but it still takes a certain kind of author to write that work, and to direct its flow.


But many of what I wrote are based on fictional stuff I watch/read/play. How many here have made stories about high school in Japan even if they have never experienced it?


That is a setting, not a specific subject or the crux of the story. If the point of the story was just "high school life in Japan", then even so you can surmise that the author has an interest in Japanese high school life. I, for one, find it nothing interesting and would never write anything like it. A mere setting already gives away an interest, an adoration or fascination.

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I like to write about a sociopathic killer, but that's just because I have read some awesome fiction involving such characters and I get inspired to write one. Does that mean I like sociopaths?


You are twisting an earlier argument, though I cannot tell if you intentionally do so. "I wrote a story about a Dwarf who saves his Kingdom" does not mean the author is a Dwarf from the medieval fantasy times who just so happened to saunter into our world to deliver literature.

A work of literature is the sum of your experiences and interests; combining "why did that particular author use this theme?", "in what way does the author present the theme?" and "what outlooks do the characters have?" all reveal answers about the author as a person.

No person with a deep-seated hatred for murderers will ever write a story that makes a reader sympathise with a murderer; someone who firmly believes there is no "evil" and even killers have a cause and are normal human beings may feel like writing a story about a murderer if only to show people they can be wrong with their preconceptions, or for other reasons.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:14 am 
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Applegate wrote:
No person with a deep-seated hatred for murderers will ever write a story that makes a reader sympathise with a murderer; someone who firmly believes there is no "evil" and even killers have a cause and are normal human beings may feel like writing a story about a murderer if only to show people they can be wrong with their preconceptions, or for other reasons.


I believe you're taking fictional work way too seriously. Ever heard of exception to rule? I might disagree with many things you said, but does that stop me from writing a story based on YOUR beliefs or OTHER beliefs? Not to mention in a literature, there bound to be many characters in the story. How can I make an interesting story based on just MY beliefs, MY thoughts, MY preferences?

I take writing just the same as I do with arts. In order to polish my skill the highest level, I try everything I could, including drawing/writing things I am not familiar with, using ideas/beliefs I am not comfortable with. If I stay in my comfort zone all the time, I can never grow as an artist/writer. I believe some (emphasis on some) writers are the same as me, who like to write something out of their field to expand their horizon. You can't say everything is absolute like what you did here.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:34 am 
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One time, a critic condemned Conan Doyle for criticizing a famous fictional detective. Thing is, Doyle never did that. Sherlock Holmes did. Doyle responded to that critic with a poem:

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Sure there are times when one cries with acidity,
'Where are the limits of human stupidity?'
Here is a critic who says as a platitude
That I am guilty because 'in ingratitude
Sherlock, the sleuth-hound, with motives ulterior,
Sneers at Poe's Dupin as very "inferior".'
Have you not learned, my esteemed commentator,
That the created is not the creator?
As the creator I've praised to satiety
Poe's Monsieur Dupin, his skill and variety,
And have admitted that in my detective work
I owe to my model a deal of selective work.
But it is not on the verge of inanity
To put down to me my creation's crude vanity?
He, the created, would scoff and would sneer,
Where I, the creator, would bow and revere.
So please grip this face with your cerebral tentacle:
The doll and its maker are never identical.


A writer does tend to pass on themes he believes in, yes. But we must remember that "the doll and its maker are never identical." While I'd be inclined to believe that a writer believes in the central theme present in his work(if at all existent) I would be much more skeptical of him believing the same things as a particular character of his.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:50 am 
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@Mirage: You seem less interested in refuting the arguments of others than you seem interested in talking about yourself. No matter what you say, everything you write is the product of who you are and what you are. Using the same characters, the same plot, the same plot devices and the same MacGuffins, two writers will produce two different pieces. A hundred different writers will produce a hundred different stories, with a hundred different interpretations of the main character and the other characters.

There is no self-respecting author who will try to get you to like or sympathise with something they absolutely abhor. During writing they may learn that their point of view was wrong and thus present it to you, but it will still be coloured by their views and experiences. It is inescapable.

The black-and-white distinction that anyone who writes about murderers must be a murderer is your own, not mine; the distinction that every person in a story must somehow hold the author's beliefs and ideals is your idea, not mine.


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I might disagree with many things you said, but does that stop me from writing a story based on YOUR beliefs or OTHER beliefs?


My answer here is "Yes". You cannot write a story with my outlook on things and based on my experiences. You are welcome to try if you wish to insist I am wrong.


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