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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:56 pm 
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I think the reason why eroge is less popular here is because we want make/support OELVN. JVN is identical with eroge/sex scene and we must admit commercial JVN have a very good quality art. I think when we're looking for OELVN identity, somehow we want a high quality VN that just not about sex. We want story, we want character, but we don't want sex scene... and so eroge is not so popular here...


This! Plus, nobody want to be known for making eroge/henati games... It is very bad rep. :lol: I guess that is why japanese vn creators goes by a different name than there on :|

I'm planning a hentai game just so I can say I did it. :lol: <--- This off-topic.

Didn't an eroge artist design the new vocaloid? If so, I guess skill is skill. Regardless of rep

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I think the reason why eroge is less popular here is because we want make/support OELVN. JVN is identical with eroge/sex scene and we must admit commercial JVN have a very good quality art. I think when we're looking for OELVN identity, somehow we want a high quality VN that just not about sex. We want story, we want character, but we don't want sex scene... and so eroge is not so popular here...


This! Plus, nobody want to be known for making eroge/henati games... It is very bad rep. :lol: I guess that is why japanese vn creators goes by a different name than there on :|

I'm planning a hentai game just so I can say I did it. :lol: <--- This off-topic.

Didn't an eroge artist design the new vocaloid? If so, I guess skill is skill. Regardless of rep


Maybe.. :lol: I usually don't research artist much so Idk much. You are right skills are skills but depending the way you use it then that is a different story. xD

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:47 pm 
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I think rep have more something to do with brand rather than the artist him/herself. Many all-ages anime artists are also draws for eroge games/hentai anime. Many children TV shows artist are actually porn/AV artist. Like Weakjounin said, skills are skills, no matter the rep.

But Nintendo have rep of always producing high quality all-ages video games. So I highly doubt they will make an eroge game. Midway is famous for its gory video games, I highly doubt they will suddenly make all-ages colorful games like Kirby.

So with the parents/consumer. If you see SquareEnix, you know you'll get good RPG. If you see Key, it will be crying eroge. And so on.

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I believe that a video game should deal with sex responsibly and in a manner appropriate for the story it is trying to tell.
I prefer games like that over those that use sex merely as a selling point and a means to gain a fandom.

Since visual novels emphasize character interactions, it's a genre that naturally is more likely to have sexual moments that are appropriate for the story within the game. I'm absolutely fine with that, but if the entire purpose of the game is to enjoy sex scenes and nude pictures, I'm not. Why play a game whose sole purpose is sexual gratification of the player, if I can just use the internet to find porn instead?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:50 am 
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It's either going to be nukige (all-out-sex) from me, or all-ages, the former having it's own subbrand.

Creating a huge game with just a sprinkling of H at the end seems to be unfair for the whole game (since it gets the 18+ treatment for the whole game). And if you make the H disable-able, then why the heck was it included in the first place?

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I would not, because if Carpe Fulgur localizes an erotic-content game, we'll only ever be *able* to do erotic content in the future.

This phenomenon isn't unique to just us, or even to the video game industry. Anyone in entertainment who works with "porn" essentially becomes a literal out-caste, an untouchable who cannot find work anywhere else but with more porn. Just look up stories of porn actors some time - a lot of them would like to get into more "legitimate" pursuits, but they can't because 90% or more of society treats people who work on or with erotic material like lepers and don't want to employ them for any reason. There've been a few actors who eventually "broke out", but they are vanishingly rare.

The only way we would ever be able to work on some of the otherwise-neat games in Japan that have erotic content in them would be to not only take chainsaws to that content, but even to "salt the earth"; that is, modify the game's directory structure and whatnot so as to make it especially difficult for fans to attempt "back-porting" the erotic content back into the game. The "Hot Coffee" debacle around GTA San Andreas back in 2005 (and that didn't even involve actual nudity!) tells us everything we need to know about how the public, rating agencies, distributors and even Congress would react to the revelation that "official" erotic content exists for a game widely released in the U.S. We also know how long-term fans of a given game would react to such an idea, which is why we've never seriously considered working on a game with erotic content in it.

For the record, I am aware of JAST USA's "clean" release of Aselia the Eternal, and of their statements that they want to try and release it as far and wide as possible... but I think the fact that you still can't find it on Steam or other "respectable" digidistro sites speaks volumes about the reception I suspect they're getting to the idea. This isn't a knock against JAST, mind you - it's simply reality. They've released porn before and are Marked, and I would highly suspect no "large" distributor will treat with them at all.

And if we worked on a game with erotic content in it, we'd get the same treatment - up to and including, I suspect, Recettear and our other games being pulled from the services they are currently on.

We're never going to work on an "h-game" simply because doing so would cripple our futures. There are some pretty amazing games in Japan that coincidentally feature erotic content that we can't work on as a result, but the reality of the market simply dictates that we not work on such games.

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I haven't read anything yet so I might be repeating some of the things people have already said...generally >_> sex scenes are difficult to draw especially erotic ones....like full blown sex scenes. ._. ...I mean no one is gunna get H---- off stick figures are deformed breasts and p----es. I mean like fanservice is okay...but there are some parts that people might not be comfortable drawing.

Besides, not every one wants sex and stuff in there visual novels. It's time consuming to think of an erotic scenario and describing it... so it doesn't turn out like "he put me on a bed of roses." "he striped me." "he put that stick in me. it was warm." OTL. that would be the worst eroge ever... You need a really good writer with a vast knowledge of vocabulary to make it sound erotic and alluring. ALSO. YOU NEED AN AWESOME STORY. .-. i think the ero stuff should JUST be an add on. :/ Sex stories...are well...sex stories.
Anyways, D:we probably do have eroge lovers amongst the lemmasoft forums.....but...people who are pro enough to make it...ehhh a few.
Also, I'm sure that their aren't alot of free spirtes with positions and what not..so It wouldn't work out too well. You have to hire an artist to draw, or draw those scenes yourself.
Programming and Music..Eh...Not really a problem...but if the UI is set just right, it will add to the scenes....and all of those other aspects of a visual novel.

Well this is just my input on it. /poofs


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I haven't read anything yet so I might be repeating some of the things people have already said...generally >_> sex scenes are difficult to draw especially erotic ones....like full blown sex scenes. ._. ...I mean no one is gunna get H---- off stick figures are deformed breasts and p----es. I mean like fanservice is okay...but there are some parts that people might not be comfortable drawing.

Besides, not every one wants sex and stuff in there visual novels. It's time consuming to think of an erotic scenario and describing it... so it doesn't turn out like "he put me on a bed of roses." "he striped me." "he put that stick in me. it was warm." OTL. that would be the worst eroge ever... You need a really good writer with a vast knowledge of vocabulary to make it sound erotic and alluring. ALSO. YOU NEED AN AWESOME STORY. .-. i think the ero stuff should JUST be an add on. :/ Sex stories...are well...sex stories.
Anyways, D:we probably do have eroge lovers amongst the lemmasoft forums.....but...people who are pro enough to make it...ehhh a few.
Also, I'm sure that their aren't alot of free spirtes with positions and what not..so It wouldn't work out too well. You have to hire an artist to draw, or draw those scenes yourself.
Programming and Music..Eh...Not really a problem...but if the UI is set just right, it will add to the scenes....and all of those other aspects of a visual novel.

Well this is just my input on it. /poofs

"he striped me" like a zebra.
anyways back onto the main topic, I also think the number of artists willing to draw those scenes are less abundant than artists willing to draw "normal" scenes and as such there is less creation of eroges.

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Mild H-Games in my opinion are awesome, it's just that most of the completed games here that would be in those genre's are in the 18+ section and well I'm not 18+ =u= . . .


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What I was trying to say is that i'm not sure if this is true or not but a majority of the people here that play these games on this website aren't exactly 18+ I suppose, so it would be weird to make H-Games for them since you'd think you would be trying to target the younger audience. ;o;

sorry if I wasn't clear on that @u@. .


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:46 am 
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Well yeah but a few years ago most people here were 25+ and there still weren't that many H-games.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:50 am 
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you havee a pointt~~

I feel like it's more popular towards the younger audience in a way.
Like tons of my friends are creepy pervs who love H-games XD,
I think it's just a little odd to have a 15 year old dude or something requesting it, and it's also embarrassing to request such thingg for some people ;A; . .
It's a little off, especially since it is meant for 18+.


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But in the case of this community why do you think that is? Why are eroge style games less popular here?

Don't know about the creation side, but for viewing, I find that too many eroge works make their characters far too young.
Regardless of popularity, I find it creepy.

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But in the case of this community why do you think that is? Why are eroge style games less popular here?

Don't know about the creation side, but for viewing, I find that too many eroge works make their characters far too young.
Regardless of popularity, I find it creepy.

That's called LOLI (>_<) And lots of people love it (including me, btw).

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Personally? I always thought it was because:
A) There are MANY eroge already translated and readily available for download and/or purchase. There is not exactly a huge demand for OELVN eroge as we already have an "official" market (that is bringing over so many nukige it makes me want to CHOKE someone).
B) The 18+ section is hidden from non-registered guests, minors, people who do not wish to see it. That limits the range of people the game may be exposed to.
C) All Ages = Anyone can pick it up and play it with no issue, so you already have a wider audience that way in theory.

As for eroge making their characters "too young", I can't say anything for OELVN works. But for translated ones? You have to remember that they were made in Japan. The age of consent there ranges between 14-18 in many places (maybe 16-18, I cannot remember) in Japan and the target market for many eroge is high school boys/young adult males. The characters in those are, naturally, going to seem unusually young to a Western audience.

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As for eroge making their characters "too young", I can't say anything for OELVN works. But for translated ones? You have to remember that they were made in Japan. The age of consent there ranges between 14-18 in many places (maybe 16-18, I cannot remember) in Japan and the target market for many eroge is high school boys/young adult males. The characters in those are, naturally, going to seem unusually young to a Western audience.


The age of consent doesn't mean much to some people. I've only ever walked into an adult video shop once in Japan, but when I did, the first DVD I saw when I walked through the door was of 9-year-old girls. They didn't just look 9, it clearly stated they were 9 on the front of the DVD.
My wife was with me, and she explained that they can get around the laws by showing pre-teen girls doing suggestive things, but with no actual nudity. So, sex with minors is illegal, but apparently looking at minors in sexual ways is totally okay.

Anyway, that's enough of my own personal hangups. Maybe some people enjoy looking at under-age girls in sexual ways, and I don't feel this is the appropriate place to voice my opinions on that.

My point is that I believe most people are not sexually attracted to under-age or barely legal girls. If this is true, then some eroge works are going to scare away some viewers. Not only that, but if people make the mental connection of eroge *possibly* meaning paedophilia, they are going to avoid it like the plague.

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