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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:35 pm 
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I like childish characters that start out being extremely outgoing, but as they fall in love they become more and more embarrassed and avoid the main character in cute ways. Small breasts and a tan are great with this personality. These characters also have the cutest love confessions and sex scenes.

Another character type I love is the dominant sexy girl, who is not afraid to stake claims on the main character and use him as she wishes. Usually pairs best with a spineless protagonist. Big breasts and long hair are a must for this character.

Oh, and quiet, cold girls with a slight devious streak. Ultimate sex appeal if they have short hair.

I also have a soft spot for quiet, loyal girls that honestly love the protagonist.

Overall, it depends more on what the style of the writing is for me to get into a character. The game has to have a certain mood for me to get into it. Writing that caters to a mature audience and isn't trying to make the characters moe is what I find to be best, and I don't mean that it has to be grimdark. A humorous, sexy story with heavier dialogue and an entertaining plot is what I hope to get out of this community someday.

Physically - I'll take just about anything. It's the way their features are played up and the twists that the artist puts on the heroine's assets that make it for me. If you are finding it hard to give each of the characters in your game their own separate charm points and sex appeal, think about these things and how they can reflect the character's personality when put together with things like hair color and eye shape-

Nipple size and color (only if you have sex scenes, of course)
Mouth shape
How they blush when embarrassed - does their entire face turn red, or is it a subtle wash of color on the cheek?
Toes - do they curl when she is embarrassed and trying to hide it? Are they well manicured and long?
Elbows - are they tinted pink? pointed? nice and round?
Collar bone
Ears - earrings, turning red when she's embarrassed, etc
Eyebrows
Eyelashes
Knees - most have a slight build of fat underneath them, also scratches or bruises on the knee could be cute on the right character

Just something to think about. Hope all of this is appropriate.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:17 pm 
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That's only one kind of Tsundere though. A tsundere just means they warm up, either on occasion, or as an eventuality. The way you describe might be the popular model(It's not like I like you or anything!) but a lot of tsunderes still build up feelings like regular characters.


The build up isn't called tsundere any more. On Tvtropes it's known as Defrosting the Ice Queen.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ngIceQueen
I have absolutely no problem with those characters, since they aren't tsunderes. :)


I sincerly apologise Tohsaka-san, but I really don't like you.


Is there a name for a kind of girl who seems pretty nice at first, a little awkward but pleasant to be around, and then starts ignoring you completely without a peep as to why, showing how little respect they have for you?


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Dollywitch wrote:
Desu_Cake wrote:
Dollywitch wrote:

That's only one kind of Tsundere though. A tsundere just means they warm up, either on occasion, or as an eventuality. The way you describe might be the popular model(It's not like I like you or anything!) but a lot of tsunderes still build up feelings like regular characters.


The build up isn't called tsundere any more. On Tvtropes it's known as Defrosting the Ice Queen.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ngIceQueen
I have absolutely no problem with those characters, since they aren't tsunderes. :)


I sincerly apologise Tohsaka-san, but I really don't like you.


Is there a name for a kind of girl who seems pretty nice at first, a little awkward but pleasant to be around, and then starts ignoring you completely without a peep as to why, showing how little respect they have for you?


Female?

In that circumstance you would presume something has changed in the relationship, either the male has done something to turn her off him, or other people have said or done something to change her behaviour, which is pretty natural reaction in accordance to human nature. A lot of people will do this and so I don't think it could be described as a type.

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If it has nothing to do with an outside influence or the pursuer doing something wrong, usually characters like that have low self-esteem or some kind of abandonment issue and their first reaction is to run away from the situation when they realize they are liked. For some people, being liked is a scary thing-- usually, it's because of some past trauma that they're afraid of getting too close to people, whether they lost someone, or were betrayed, etc. even though they are kind at heart... but it really depends. Sometimes a person assumes friendship or love is a heavy responsibility even though it doesn't have to be. Some people are just genuinely socially awkward and don't know how to handle situations beyond small-talk so they shut off. That doesn't have anything to do with lack of respect though so I'm not sure.

And I don't think that type has a name :[ It's one of those behaviors that seems more common in real life than in fiction (dating-game fiction, anyway).


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:36 pm 
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If it has nothing to do with an outside influence or the pursuer doing something wrong, usually characters like that have low self-esteem or some kind of abandonment issue and their first reaction is to run away from the situation when they realize they are liked. For some people, being liked is a scary thing-- usually, it's because of some past trauma that they're afraid of getting too close to people, whether they lost someone, or were betrayed, etc. even though they are kind at heart... but it really depends. Sometimes a person assumes friendship or love is a heavy responsibility even though it doesn't have to be. That doesn't have anything to do with lack of respect though so I'm not sure.

And I don't think that type has a name :[ It's one of those behaviors that seems more common in real life than in fiction (dating-game fiction, anyway).


But the male has obvious taken actions to signal he likes her. People don't do things for no reason. It's all about cause and effect. While she may predisposed to fearing relationships, for her to go from friendly to cold, something else must have changed, something as simple as the guy making it obvious he likes her.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:38 pm 
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Dollywitch wrote:
Is there a name for a kind of girl who seems pretty nice at first, a little awkward but pleasant to be around, and then starts ignoring you completely without a peep as to why, showing how little respect they have for you?


Pod Person?

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Well, yeah. But liking someone normally isn't considered something "wrong", and people normally don't say "I don't want friends, I don't want relationship" whenever they meet someone the first time. It doesn't even cross their mind until pursuer (honestly, it could be guy or girl doesn't matter) gets TOO nice. I was just trying to provide some more insight, because honestly, I shut off from social situations all the time and it tends to be a misunderstood phenomenon. It's rarely about trying to be mean to or mess with anyone, more like a stress overload.

But on the other hand, if the pursuer does not back off it's not gonna end well. Too much and it turns into harassment. Characters like that have to be handled delicately which is probably why they aren't popular in dating games.


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Auro-Cyanide wrote:
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If it has nothing to do with an outside influence or the pursuer doing something wrong, usually characters like that have low self-esteem or some kind of abandonment issue and their first reaction is to run away from the situation when they realize they are liked. For some people, being liked is a scary thing-- usually, it's because of some past trauma that they're afraid of getting too close to people, whether they lost someone, or were betrayed, etc. even though they are kind at heart... but it really depends. Sometimes a person assumes friendship or love is a heavy responsibility even though it doesn't have to be. That doesn't have anything to do with lack of respect though so I'm not sure.

And I don't think that type has a name :[ It's one of those behaviors that seems more common in real life than in fiction (dating-game fiction, anyway).


But the male has obvious taken actions to signal he likes her. People don't do things for no reason. It's all about cause and effect. While she may predisposed to fearing relationships, for her to go from friendly to cold, something else must have changed, something as simple as the guy making it obvious he likes her.


It's a female in this case. Essentially anyway.


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Anthy wrote:
If it has nothing to do with an outside influence or the pursuer doing something wrong, usually characters like that have low self-esteem or some kind of abandonment issue and their first reaction is to run away from the situation when they realize they are liked. For some people, being liked is a scary thing-- usually, it's because of some past trauma that they're afraid of getting too close to people, whether they lost someone, or were betrayed, etc. even though they are kind at heart... but it really depends. Sometimes a person assumes friendship or love is a heavy responsibility even though it doesn't have to be. Some people are just genuinely socially awkward and don't know how to handle situations beyond small-talk so they shut off. That doesn't have anything to do with lack of respect though so I'm not sure.

And I don't think that type has a name :[ It's one of those behaviors that seems more common in real life than in fiction (dating-game fiction, anyway).


Very interesting insight. But I still think that while it puts a human face on it - to ignore someone completely when you see it's causing them pain is wrong.


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Anthy wrote:
Well, yeah. But liking someone normally isn't considered something "wrong", and people normally don't say "I don't want friends, I don't want relationship" whenever they meet someone the first time. It doesn't even cross their mind until pursuer (honestly, it could be guy or girl doesn't matter) gets TOO nice. I was just trying to provide some more insight, because honestly, I shut off from social situations all the time and it tends to be a misunderstood phenomenon. It's rarely about trying to be mean to or mess with anyone, more like a stress overload.

But on the other hand, if the pursuer does not back off it's not gonna end well. Too much and it turns into harassment. Characters like that have to be handled delicately which is probably why they aren't popular in dating games.


What if the person continues to interact with others though? The shutting off is focused on you. Also, there is a period between the confession and ignoring - after the confession, they say even if they can't return your feelings, they can be better friends, but this never happens. Also, you see them talking with others in a manner that strongly suggests what they told you about their sexuality may have been misleading, but hand-wave it away when confronted. They tell you they're pretty much asexual, not interested in a relationship, etc. but then you find them talking about fetishes they have, or famous people they may liked to date. It may be a misunderstanding - but since they rarely talk to you, it's impossible to sort these things out.

But even after this there are some pleasant exchanges of messages; the full on ignore happens a little after that.

What should the player do in this situation? If you lay off completely, you may never talk to them again, and if you do anyway, then you're acknowledging an abusive relationship where the friend or love interest has power over you that you can't content with - there's nothing you can do to trump them ignoring you, really - if you threaten to cut ties, they won't care. Pursuing it in some fashion may not be a bad idea since you've essentially got nothing to lose. Finding some way to call them out on their bad behaviour would be ideal, but how do you do this without looking like an ass?

(I like complexity & realism in characters)


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Wait, harassing someone who doesn't want to date you is creating an abusive relationship where *they* have power over *you*?

If someone doesn't want to date you, or even to be your friend, that's their choice. That isn't 'bad behavior' that they need to be called out for. They do not owe you an explanation.

If they were already your friend and then suddenly dropped you like a hot potato that's a slightly different story. But if you're just getting to know someone and then suddenly they pull away, this is not them exhibiting some kind of evil condition that needs a name attached to it.

I would generally suggest that if someone tells you she's completely uninterested in dating, but you slowly pick up 'clues' that she just isn't interested in dating YOU, the problem is either 1) She's been socialised that it's Horribly Wrong And Mean to criticise anyone and therefore doesn't know how to tell you no without pulling the It's Not You, It's Me routine, or 2) She's too *scared* of you to tell you the truth. And deciding that you've "got nothing to lose" so you should just stalk her anyway? Is sort of proving her point. :)

Now, writing a story where the main character slides slowly into becoming an abusive stalker before having a Heel Realisation could be interesting, but is darker than a lot of people's tastes. :)

(Forgive me if I'm getting the context totally wrong here)

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If someone doesn't want to date you, or even to be your friend, that's their choice.


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You should never force someone into a relationship.
If you do, it will only result in a fake relationship.
You cannot and must not force anyone to love you. But if you do, it's your loss.

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I do t think you're reading what I'm saying at all. This person is already a friend. There's no frcing of anyone into a relationship, its just flat out dropping g a friend for no given reason, ignoring them completely. Just acknowledging this if it keeps happening is letting yourself in for an abusive relationship where they hold all the power. The internet especially gives people oppurtunities to be dicks in ways you can't so much about. It'd be interesting if there were more characters like this in Renai games


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That's not a nice to say to a girl.


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