Primadonnas?(don't bother reading, it's an endless rant...)

[Ren]

Let's not even talk about how weird that word looks to me(firstwoemensO_O you sure use Italian words in a weird way sometimes...XD), and anyway that's not the point:
lately i've not been posting here, I've been a bit busy and i'm trying to stay away from forums until i finish my job for mah boss(yo, it's just cool to call you that TwT) but there's something bothering me lately, and i think this is the best place to vent it out.

Basically, i really enjoy this place and the people gathering here even more, that's why i would like to ask you something, i kinda trust your opinion :3
I noticed something about manga artists online, i'm expecially talking about those that draw cute things, bishoujos with biiiiig eyes and such such...i draw like that too actually.
It seems like a lot of them, expecially the famous/well known ones joined some kind of "club", they all post a journal or a FAQ where they tell you how you should comment to their pictures, how much some comments get on their nerves and how stupid some people are.

I must be really weird, because i tend to mentally take a note about every new complaint, and right now i feel like my brain is gonna explode I_I

Some of these artists i know or used to know them, and they weren't like that at first, but at some point it's as if they started to loose humility and started to act as if they really weren't just grains os sand in the universe, something i try to remind to myself every day...
This kind of behaviour is really popular in places like deviantArt, you don't even know how many times i read people complaining about critiques and how the other deviants should learn how to give themTAT
I don't want a "Cute!" comment, i don't want citiques if you can't give me pointers on how to get better, i don't want to be told my anatomy is off because it's "my style" anyway, i don't want to be asked the same question over and over again just because you didn't read all of my 573837564 previous comments, i don't want to be asked something that i stated in my description..and all that yadda yadda.

And when someone disagrees with them and replies on their journals, it's all a"then don't read what i say, because i have the right to express myself, you don't understand what venting means, i was venting therefore i can say everything i want, you didn't understand what i wrote and you sound really childish...etc"
...and then there are lynch mobs"Let's go throw grenades on them evil people, not worshipping our goddess(sadly, most of these artists are females;_; ) like we do!"

The last time i actually said i think there should be more honest opinions on online communities, i recieved a lot of replies all of a sudden, and everyone seemed against that idea"how can you even judge art?it's personal and it makes me express myself!>_<"

Well, maybe i'm just weird, because i actually don't think someone "judges" me just because they stop by and tell me wathever a picture of mine makes them think:

It's just an opinion?!

Why does everyone seem to think they can write their thoughts on journals and others can't say anything without taking that right away from them?
And then i read on a board that all aspring anime artists are primadonnas, and that makes me really sad because it means we're gaining a really bad reputation and most likely we won't get opinions from many skilled artists because so many of us are totally against them.

*emo tear*

And here i am, writing a worthless post about worthless journals...isn't it hilarous?XDI'm sorry it's so long, I obviously kept this inside way too long =_=

[monele]

I've seen that a lot too. Hmm... I see a few possibilities : those who have really lost it and think they're goddesses because a group of people think they are, those who just can't take the pressure of popularity (hundreds of comments/messages per day with probably 80% of them being stupid... not that great).
Also realize that some people are *very* sensitive to comments while others couldn't care less.

Let's say that generally I'll agree with the complaint against people who ask things that were explicitely in the description (some people are just asking to be hurt...), and with the complaint against useless comments ("this sucks!"... woa, cool, very helpful...).

Now of course it's sad if other artists stop respecting you guys just because of some (many??) black sheeps. On DevArt at least, you could have the "critiques encouraged" setting on.

[Ren]

*huggles*

I think it's just PMS ;P

[monele]

"Critiques encouraged except when PMSing, thanks!"

They *did* forget that one ô_o..... ^.^

[lordcloudx]

aww... who cares about reputations? If that reputation is actually unearned, just ignore it and keep making art as an artist should. Bad rumors just go away eventually, but if it's really true that most aspiring anime artists tend to become primadonnas after gaining a little recognition, at least you know that you're not one of them right?

Anyway, I think any kind of development is good for the community of anime artists. This might just be a transition period. Let those "goddesses" fight it out hehehe.

[papillon]

I don't see a problem with telling people what kind of commentary you want - some people ARE very sensitive, and if you know that someone saying 'That head is too big!' will make you cry, it's reasonable to head that off at the pass by saying that you don't want critique of that sort.

IF you choose to discourage certain kinds of comment, though, you have no grounds to complain if you get no comments at all. And lynch mobs are always lame.

Perhaps I come at this from the frustration of alpha-testing... I am used to telling people "Please test <thing x> and do not comment about <thing y> because it hasn't been implemented yet." and then getting a bunch of replies that totally ignore <thing x> and complain about <thing y> not working. Completely wasting everyone's time.

There's no sense in getting angry and throwing a screaming fit over it, though. Eventually one learns to expect that 99% of everything, including commentary, is crap, and to develop a trusted circle to turn to if you want USEFUL feedback.

[mikey]

Well, then again, no one really likes having to comment on something specific, or in a certain way. So guidelines on how to comment on your art and discouraging nonsense replies make sense.

But it just smells of elitism nonetheless. I think you should be grateful for every single reply, whether it's a silly boy saying "cooool", or a serious critic pointing out useful things. Sure you'll sort the comments into categories - you'll use the constructive comments to improve, but you should always appreciate the interest as well.

My opinion is, if you're kind of frustrated with how the things are going, leave for a while. Enter a different, maybe smaller community, make a site where your art will not be allowed to have comments and maybe one day someone will send you an e-mail, and you'll be happy about it. Kind of back to the basics - if you're getting discouraged.

[Ren]

I think i didn't explain myself well about one thing(sorry, i might have sounded too harsh as well):
i don't think one can't say how they want their art to be commented, actually i do think it saves me a lot of time to know what the author already knows...it's just the way this is getting out of handO_O
It's almost as if recieving a wrong comment was a tragedy, when it actually may happen to just don't see something in the description once in your life.

TwT And that's why i always comment on "critique encouraged" pictures XD
Thankyou for taking the time to tell me your opinion by theway!

[Watercolorheart]

Over at Renderosity, though I detest its format, there is an option to turn off allowing all comments.

Wouldn't that be nice for those certain images you don't want any feedback on, huh?

*check* No comments
*check* No voting

[TMBpower]

DA has the option to turn off comments too (but you can still fav the pics).

So I have noticed all the arrogance behind the popular artists as well. I suppose it can't be helped, really, because all the success that gets showered on them makes it seem so critical when they find a correcting comment. (Not that I am defending them.)

What I don't like is that there are a lot of these types who ask for critique comments and then change their minds. Like, there will be a critic who comes across saying: "You should try experimenting more with less generic poses/deeper characters," and then the artist will SCREAM at him along the lines of "What?! I can't draw that it wouldn't look like my styylllleee people will only lyke my kawaaii art *BLEEP* u!!" Hypocritical, really.

What's worse of all is that they lose their sense of art and don't try to experiment with getting better. They would rather stick with a medium they are used to rather then try to do (for example) realism because they are afraid they will lose their legions of fans. Kind of sad to watch.

[rioka]

Sounds like these folks not only lost humility but common courtesy as well. Their reasoning is off kilter. I laughed out loud when I read this: "how can you even judge art?it's personal and it makes me express myself!>_<" Maybe I'll go join deviantart and start blasting people for their idiocy. ...Better yet, maybe I'll poke fun at them by making some "political" artwork.

[RedSlash]

I guess some of the more popular artists can get a little cocky sometimes.

I don't think there needs to be a guidelines for critiquing art (as long as its constructive criticism), but I don't disagree with having guidelines neither. Having guidelines tends to keep things more focused.

People complaining about people not following guidelines needs an "Internet reality check." Welcome to the Internet!

[Blue Lemma]

People complaining about people not following guidelines needs an "Internet reality check." Welcome to the Internet!

omg, stfu n00b!!!11 btw, h0t d3al$ on prescr1ption drug5 & XXXXX at my s1te!!

(just kidding, of course )

When people leave too many stipulations about commenting, I tend not to comment on their stuff because I'm afraid I'll have missed something in the comment rules. Plus, it's enough out of the way to leave a comment, so why do it if it takes even more time from reading a bunch of comment rules?