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LSF Awards! Who wants them? :O

#1 Post by Lumen_Astrum » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:20 pm

Because being a dreamer RPG game creator before, I've been a member of those RPG maker forums. Then, one thing I've been noticing was the awards. Yearly, they'd award some games, or maybe users, each year. Well, for a long time, I've been itching to see something like that in here.

An example of an RPG game in that forums with an award/seal (scroll down)

See, wouldn't it be like some sort of motivation when you get an award? :D
Oh, yeah, that game's creator left. Call that motivation? /bricked

Anyway, I'm just expressing my opinion, and I'd be happy if a system like this will happen here :)

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#2 Post by LateWhiteRabbit » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:59 pm

I'm not sure how balanced it could be.

Some creators, like Jack Norton, Papillon, myself, etc. just to name a few, work commercially, and thus hold everything they do to a higher standard, while a lot of the other creators on the boards are doing so as a hobby.

Plus, we have a wide range of experiences and ages on the board - I'm not saying the field of any contest should be perfectly level, but take me for instance - I'm a professional artist with a Bachelor's of Fine Art, working for a film studio doing Visual FX, and I've been drawing and writing for 20+ years. For me to compete against a 15-year-old would be vastly unfair to them. (They might have an advantage as far as free time goes, however.)

Sure, contests can motivate, but they can also hurt feelings as well. Comparisons are bound to be made and people will ask, "If that game won an award, why didn't mine?" Feelings will be hurt.

Now, I frequent other art boards that have contests, like Polycount, but those boards are all about critiques - constructive, sometimes harsh, but honest critiques, but all with the goal of making the members better. There are no "support" threads, only criticism and critiques. It makes sense for them to have contests, but less so for Lemmasoft. Here threads tend to pat each other on the back - hard criticism isn't often received well. Awards are a form of criticism and judgement.

Just my two cents.

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#3 Post by Samu-kun » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:06 pm

We had one once, but it didn't turn out so well, so there's been no official contest since then.

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#4 Post by Aleema » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:39 pm

I say no. I'd rather there be a celebration of games rather than a competition of games. We need to stimulate the industry, rather than start separating the good from the bad just yet.

I get the fun of it (and why you recommend it), but I think this is one of those cases where if everyone doesn't get an award, it's not going to do any good here.

And I'm going to echo LateWhiteRabbit in that, LSF has a forcefully positive atmosphere, and the absence of an award is a negativity that I thought we were trying to avoid.

I would never want to see a "Best VN" award in someone's signature -- not even mine. What a goddamned slap in the face to all the other developers here.

I think the RMVX forum gets away with it on some basis, because isn't it less of a community and more of a hub for RMVX users? Used for practical purposes (getting code and resources) -- anyway, our community seems smaller, so more intimate. I know you guys. By name. It's personal. Not just some database for projects.

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#5 Post by lordcloudx » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:04 am

I will echo Aleema's sentiments.
For reference as to the previous attempt:

1. The discussion http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewto ... =13&t=4389

2. The awards http://www.lemmasoft.net/lemmys/lemmys2008.html (results http://lemmasoft.net/lemmys/results2008_0.html)

edit: For informational purposes, here's the 2009 attempt

3. http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewto ... =13&t=4740

I will say, however, that I'm not totally against such an award-giving body/activity, but it needs to come from somewhere else other than LSF. That means that the LSF itself must remain neutral and the award-giving body must exist separately and distinctly from it.

btw, note the unnecessarily scathing tone of quite a few people in there who also got away with it. Ahem arteeeeestic vision?
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#6 Post by GeneDNC » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:51 am

I'll echo the above posts. The feelings that can be hurt is just not worth it.

Some might say that people should stop being babies and get over it if they are hurt, but it can lead to lack of motivation, creativity etc. I have seen other art sites get smaller and smaller with almost no new members and talent for exactly this reason.
It can also be very easy for the whole thing to just boil down to one big popularity contest. Although I am a new member, this strikes me as contrary to the LSF vibe.

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#7 Post by Elenakiara » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:41 pm

I agree with the others as well. :) I think that maybe the best thing someone could do is make little badge/ribbon images and post them along with their reviews of a game? For example, choosing what stood out the most in the VN, whether it was the nice storyline, character art or overall feeling of the game? Then, the game-maker would feel better and maybe post the ribbon into the first post, saying "Won/Received a ribbon for _______".

Kind of like those "Approved by ______" ones that I saw a few times. xD
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#8 Post by Fawn » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:05 pm

A theme-based contest with places for different skill levels (rookie, intermediate, professional, ect) may work. That would be fun and beneficial for all parties I believe; I've worked with themes for contests before and I always got a little something out of it. Competing against other people in your rank forces you to work harder, giving you more experience.
But not all out awards based on quality; as said above. That should be done by a third party, like a game review blog. (We've had games on here get awards like that before if I'm not mistaken)

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