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I wanted to direct attention to an interesting article that just went up on IO9.com. Why Manga Publishing is Dying

The fact they are discussing is that manga sales in America have dropped 43% in the past 4 years, with declining sales in Japan as well. Considering the interests the forum has, I thought this might make for some interesting discussion.

A few possible reasons are discussed:
- The manga market has become too saturated with junk titles
- Fewer anime shows that can act as a gateway to manga are showing on American television
- Bookstores that traditionally sold a lot of the manga like Borders have gone out of business
- No digital market strategy
- An aging readership

I think lack of a coherent and robust digital plan has been the most damaging. Like other traditional media that has ignored or been slow to react to the ubiquitous technology in modern life, manga has suffered by not adopting a business solution that makes digital media a major part of their publishing. This is also tied to the aging readership - older adults are more likely to buy manga, but most the young readers are used to getting everything for free online. Online movies, online books, even free-to-play MMOs.

I would also say that junk titles are also a problem. Or maybe simply the saturation of the market. Back in the 1980s and most of the 1990s, there were very few manga titles that made it stateside to America. If you were a manga fan it was easy to collect and read them all. In fact, most of the manga that Americans had access to was top-shelf quality-wise, because only the largest of Japanese hits would be considered for publication abroad, so the American market was getting the best of the best.

Now there is so much manga available that it is overwhelming. With whole aisles devoted to manga in bookstores, sometimes stacked two books tall to a shelf, that is a lot of manga to browse and try to find something in. There is also a practice I have seen more and more of - shrink-wrapping manga volumes. As Michael Pinto discusses on Fanboy.com, this hurts "discoverability" of new manga titles. You'd better damn well know what titles you want before you come to the store, because you won't find any new interests by browsing.
Every volume of manga was shrink-wrapped. I often see this where expensive art books are sold, but usually there’s one display copy that you can thumb through to see if your $50+ will be well spent. Yet there was no display copy to be found in the many aisles of Kinokuniya, and like a supermarket selling meat each and every package was “sealed for your safety”. Now I understand that there are a few crazy people with too much time who might read the entire volume in the store — or photograph it. But the side effect of this is that someone like myself can’t make a purchase from taking a quick look inside the book.

Software people have a name for this — it’s called “discoverability”. . . . It’s the idea that from a casual glance you may find something that you weren’t looking for that engages your attention. Part of what killed the music business was that outlets like radio and MTV stopped playing their product. When this occurred most people stopped discovering new artists — and the result is that the while a Lady Gaga may occur occasionally break out, for the most part you have a stagnant business in sharp decline. And what happened to music CDs is now happening to manga.

. . . . The result is that a kid discovering an older artist for the first time will be stopped dead in their tracks at the shrink-wrap. . . . And just so you know many of the titles that were shrink-wrapped were aimed at non-otakus like kids titles and romantic girly girl manga.
Add to that disturbing development the fact that manga in America is usually $10-$12 dollars a volume. That's a lot of money to pay for something sight unseen on the hope it will live up to the backcover blurb once the plastic is torn off. This lack of discoverability means I rarely find a new manga series to start. Usually I have to rely on word of mouth (which never seems to line up with my interests) or by checking out scanlations of manga series. Sometimes this means disappointment when I buy the manga and find it has been censored by the American publishers or the translation isn't as good as the scanlation.

Another problem I often see at bookstores selling manga is that they will have some, but not all volumes. If I do go to a bookstore knowing what manga series I want, I'll often discover that crucial volumes are missing. They might have volumes 1 and 3, but not 2. As a consequence of this, I usually buy all my manga online (which again suffers from lack of discoverability - I have to already know what I want). This has led to a change in my reading habits. Instead of going to the bookstore and buying each volume as it comes out, instead I go online once or twice a year and buy all the volumes that have been released since the last time I read the book. By this time many of the volumes are marked down or I can get bundle deals.

So what does everyone else think?

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LateWhiteRabbit wrote:- No digital market strategy
This is killer.

I have 300-400 volumes of Manga - I literally am running out of space to store them, to the point where getting new manga in book form is massively inconvenient. On the other hand, there isn't a good place for me to go to buy legit manga for my tablet - something I'd love to be doing. Scanslations being months or years ahead of official translations is also a point in their favor.

I like the Crunchyroll model - pay a reasonable fee in exchange for access to a large library of content, made available within hours of the original release.

Another big problem is a drop in quality. During the early years of the manga boom, they were tapping a decade or so of top-quality content. Now, they're stuck with either top-quality new stuff, or middling old stuff. With the new stuff, it's a crap shoot - something that has a great first volume might drop after a while. Bundling is a proven solution to that problem - I might not be willing to risk it on a single volume 1, but charge me a reasonable price for 10 v1s, and I'll be interested.
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#3 Post by Tetiel »

I used to buy manga a LOT. I think it started with Sailor Moon and Oh! My Goddess! back in the early 2000s. Back then, believe it or not some of them were actually $15 per book, but usually those were done by Dark Horse. Manga books like Ayashi no Ceres were also around that price and rather large. Then, at least TokyoPop/Mixx would regulate both their size and price of every volume to $9.99 per copy and other companies followed suit. It did make things simpler, but for a young teenager, it was a lot of money invested. When the internet comes along and offers you scanlations of manga that they hadn't even translated yet, it's an awful temptation.

I think a larger problem with the market is that book stores are also not keeping Volume 1s in stock so you don't even get an impression. I understand that you can order the volume in by request, but why would you bother if you have no idea if it's any good? I've never encountered the shrink wrapping in Canada, besides a few volumes of Battle Royale which honestly should be shrink wrapped (*cough volume 8 cough*). Not being able to know what's inside the manga would certainly be a deterrant to me. Occasionally, a manga artist will have a completely different cover artist i.e. Priest. How are you to get an accurate depiction of the manga if that's the case?

Pretty much I've seen everything this guy is talking about and I agree with him, but are the publishers really willing to change? I think artists actually getting their work out there on the amazon marketplace was a great idea. It's a shame that they had to work by themselves to do that since it seems to be the best solution for them.

Anyways, thanks for the article. It was a very interesting read!

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The idea of an aging readership is a good one... for example, I used to like shoujo stories, but I got older. They don't interest me now because "ZOMG DOES HE LIKE ME" does not reflect my life anymore. And the amount of new fans of manga don't seem to be replacing the old.

To me, the manga industry here seems like a spark that burst into a ravenous flame and eventually will consume itself. The idea of liking manga has been hurt by its own popularity in the US, due to that certain burst of feverish young teenage enthusiasm that accompanied it. Because of that, I don't tell people I like manga anymore because I don't want to be seen as immature. Art professors here know exactly what you're talking about when you say "manga" and most of them despise it. That's not to say it is a fad, but it was a fad for many people.

I agree there ought to be more quality control with what gets published. We have all these "junk titles" now, yet a vast amount of true Japanese classics remain untranslated, or are hard to find in comparison. It's ridiculous.
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The comic artists who are now here, a visual novel creation board, are the pioneers.

The VN delivery format is still more convenient than swiping my finger to scroll up and down and left and right. Just give me one tap and let the picture automatically pan!

I can see the future where most story-based content range from e-books with illustrations (NVL) to motion comics (what a lot of VNs actually are approaching nowadays).

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Good god, a manga book at $10 - $12 in Australia would be a dream come true. Books here are priced at $15 - $35, with the average price being around $20.
It is for this reason that even though I already know which series I want, it's hard to buy a lot at once since each book is so expensive. I imagine people are reluctant to buy a book from a random series for the same reason. It doesn't help that over here, if you're not in the right community, manga is often very obscure, and is often associated with 'hentai'. ("Oh my god, you read that hentai porn stuff?")

It's true that with the closing of Borders, a lot of previous customers were cut off from the only place they knew of to buy manga. Of course, internet's always an option, but I've found that shipping to Australia generally costs more than the book itself.

I think the reason why stores generally have missing volumes is that they bulk order and sell them as is, so when a person buys a random volume (as I often do), the store can't afford to stock up until they get the next shipment. Not sure if that's what they actually do, but it certainly seems plausible considering over the span of 5 months, no new books were added.
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After Borders shut down where I am, I have absolutely zero access to physical copies of manga unless I want to spend money to go to the local anime/manga convention here, but even then the manga available at the convention is limited to super popular series, much of which I've already read, or am not interested in. The only other source of physical manga left are used book stores. The only problem with that is that used book stores where I am only typically have those manga that never got past volume 1.

The aging readership and saturation in the market (with too many junk titles) are both points that really hit home with me. I haven't discovered any new manga series that I like recently so I end up re-reading all my old favorites. When I want to read new manga, I look for older series that I just haven't read yet. As for the aging readership, when I went to the local anime/manga convention last year, I think I could safely say that most of the attendees that willingly attended were at least 14 years old with most con-goers being in high school or in their late 20s-early 30s.

Which reminds me of The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra. Even though it's not Japanese-made, it's supposed to target the fans of Japanese animation by using an art style like that of Japanese anime. Unlike Avatar: The Last Airbender with Aang and gang, the characters in Legend of Korra are a LOT older looking (though, they are supposed to be teenagers). Seems like the content of anime and manga are maturing with the demographics of its audience?

@Tag- : I have a friend who moved to Louisiana and she said she could buy manga at Borders (when it was still around) for $4 USD. This was about 5-6 years ago but still blows my mind.
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Reikun wrote:@Tag- : I have a friend who moved to Louisiana and she said she could buy manga at Borders (when it was still around) for $4 USD. This was about 5-6 years ago but still blows my mind.
Well, I wish I'd known that before Borders closed. Then again, the only store I knew of was in New Orleans, and I wasn't driving to the other side of the state for that.

More on topic, it's probably telling of my interest in recent manga when the only thing I thought when reading that io9 article was, "...Natsume Ono has something new out? Oh yeaaah, I need to remember to go buy Gente."

But my favorite creators aside from her are Naoki Urasawa and Junji Ito, and the latter doesn't have that much translated, so yeah. 8| Just passing through the manga section in the Books-a-Million* in my city, it all pretty much looks the same, so I've gotten really 'meh' about the whole thing.

*Though it has a separate section for 18+ manga, which you almost literally have to hunt for, because it's in a totally bizarre spot. Managed to find Peepo Choo there, though.
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This reminds me of an article I recently read by a most brilliant manga translator named Daniel Lau. He points out the reasons that both western comics and manga aren't doing very well currently, and proposes solutions: Comics Are Trash
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Why manga is dying: Every new manga coming out is a sort of carbon copy of the ones before it.
Everything is done digitally these days, meaning that most of the art is similar, which might mean that the stories have the same irritating components in it. Unnecessary ecchi, slapstick, people are just out to make cute pictures and they don't worry much about the content.

Tokyopop published a few good titles but a bunch of crappy ones that probably contributed to their downfall (like the crappy korean manga.)
And also, everyone is broke. I read all the manga I want online. I only buy the ones that are especially spectacular to support the series.
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AlexisPius wrote:This reminds me of an article I recently read by a most brilliant manga translator named Daniel Lau. He points out the reasons that both western comics and manga aren't doing very well currently, and proposes solutions: Comics Are Trash
That was a great article with a good point. Manga isn't a cheap and disposable piece of trash, which hurts its adoption. If a medium is going to be ubiquitous it must be cheap, widespread, and disposable. This is necessary for getting people introduced and hooked, for being successful with children and bringing them into the medium.

Kids need to be able to buy manga with their allowance and lunch money. That is what made American comics so successful for so long - they were everywhere. At the grocery, in the movie theater, at any newstand. I remember when I was a kid and you couldn't end up in ANY check-out-line at ANY store without having a shelf of comics in front of you. And they were CHEAP. As a kid you could buy a handful with your weakly allowance. You could skip lunch and illicitly spend that money on a comic on the way home. And because they were so cheap they were disposable. You didn't think anything of leaving them at a friend's house, etc.

The American comics speculation bubble destroyed my interest in American comics as a kid, because I suddenly couldn't afford them. And now, what kid can afford a $10 or more manga? They certainly can't buy the thing on a whim at the grocery store. Instead they get it how they can - by downloading it. And to download it, they have to know about it. Someone had to introduce them. It isn't like in the old days when it was easy for a kid to stumble on someone else's comic and get to read it.
silenteve wrote:Why manga is dying: Every new manga coming out is a sort of carbon copy of the ones before it.
Everything is done digitally these days, meaning that most of the art is similar, which might mean that the stories have the same irritating components in it. Unnecessary ecchi, slapstick, people are just out to make cute pictures and they don't worry much about the content.
I think this is a real reason why manga sales are suffering among adults. I'm like Mink - I browse the manga sections in a story or look at synopsis online and sigh with boredom. "I've seen and read this story before," I'll think.

In a lot of Shonen the formula is: the hero is weak, so the hero trains and becomes strong. The hero meets the evil villain, but discovers he isn't strong enough to defeat him. So the hero gets stronger, and then the villain reveals they have a secret technique they never used or mentioned before, but surprise! Our hero apparently has his own power-up technique and defeats the villain. However, it is revealed that the villain was only the weakest member of an organization so the hero must become even stronger.

The moe and slice of life thing is awful too. I really wish they'd get more creative. Manga and anime are one of the most cliche-ridden mediums I've ever seen. It seems they are either wildly original and innovative, or they are rigidly following a formula. You can almost count off the pages or seconds until certain things appear.

I believe this bores a lot of adults and we slowly drift out of the readership. We get so used to not finding anything new or original that eventually we just forget to look anymore.

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Why manga is dying: Every new manga coming out is a sort of carbon copy of the ones before it.
Even if that were true, a large part of new manga releases in English are older manga being translated for the first time.

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So part of the problem has been the cookie-cutter been-there-done-that stories? Hello EVN scene, glad to see you have fresh talent and people willing to make things beyond the norm.

I'm telling you now, a Kongregate / Newgrounds portal for motion comics / motion manga would be a big hit, something that will shake the Flash perception and will feature primarily high resolution art.

Current e-platforms for comic reading are still cumbersome, all these buttons and swiping just to pan the page. It's better that pannable images pan themselves! That means that artists will have to unlearn a lot of for-print layout and start adopting for-screen layouts. Or has been suggested countless of times, they can adopt a more kinetic novel like approach in telling their stories.

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LateWhiteRabbit wrote:That was a great article with a good point. Manga isn't a cheap and disposable piece of trash, which hurts its adoption. If a medium is going to be ubiquitous it must be cheap, widespread, and disposable. This is necessary for getting people introduced and hooked, for being successful with children and bringing them into the medium.

Kids need to be able to buy manga with their allowance and lunch money. That is what made American comics so successful for so long - they were everywhere. At the grocery, in the movie theater, at any newstand. I remember when I was a kid and you couldn't end up in ANY check-out-line at ANY store without having a shelf of comics in front of you. And they were CHEAP. As a kid you could buy a handful with your weakly allowance. You could skip lunch and illicitly spend that money on a comic on the way home. And because they were so cheap they were disposable. You didn't think anything of leaving them at a friend's house, etc.

The American comics speculation bubble destroyed my interest in American comics as a kid, because I suddenly couldn't afford them. And now, what kid can afford a $10 or more manga? They certainly can't buy the thing on a whim at the grocery store. Instead they get it how they can - by downloading it. And to download it, they have to know about it. Someone had to introduce them. It isn't like in the old days when it was easy for a kid to stumble on someone else's comic and get to read it.
Yes, exactly. And that partially gives me hope, at least for western comics, for all of these webcomics. Naturally most of them are garbage, but there is a lot of potential there for cheap, widely-available comics.

As for western distributors of manga, I think they could benefit from having an online resource where you maybe pay a low subscription fee, and then can read every single manga they've ever translated online. Maybe provide the first several chapters free for everyone to read. That would bring in a wide audience, I suspect.
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AlexisPius wrote: As for western distributors of manga, I think they could benefit from having an online resource where you maybe pay a low subscription fee, and then can read every single manga they've ever translated online. Maybe provide the first several chapters free for everyone to read. That would bring in a wide audience, I suspect.
That would be great, and I suspect very successful if such an online source had a good selection and was constantly updated. Have the titles released in chapters as they come out just like the Japanese market does in magazines. Have translators on staff so that manga chapters release simultaneously in Japanese and English, making scanlations a thing of the past. (Hire the scanlation translators!) Make the titles readable on the computer or devices like the iPad or smartphones. And yes, make the first chapter of every title free for non-subscribers. If they really pushed it and got good talent behind it all it would work beautifully.

Even set it up like Netflix, with a monthly subscription fee for unlimited reading of the manga online. Set up services and algorithms to make suggestions based off preferences you could set, and what people with similar preferences had liked. Make a rating system tied to your account so the site could learn what kind of manga you might like and alert you when a new manga popped up that fit your past reading history.Make it an aggregate site that paid publishers to have access to all the manga markets, just like Netflix does with movies and tv shows, so you won't be limited to just manga from a certain company.

Imagine how valuable such a site would be to manga publishers and creators through the data it collects! You could tell with pinpoint accuracy how popular a given series is per demographic. You could see patterns and trends. You could even tell when and WHERE in a manga people stopped reading, and if they ever came back to finish. Imagine the savings in printing and distribution costs - and the difficulty of pirating a manga that is never printed or able to be downloaded. Imagine how much easier and cheaper it would be to take a risk on new manga authors!

This business model is just sitting there waiting to be seized upon, if only manga publishers would enter the 21st century and embrace technology in adapting their old business models.

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