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Re: nanashi is sued by Disney for around 78000USD<<fraud *ne

#76 Post by Blane Doyle » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:04 am

I don't know where I stand on hentai stuff myself, in the long run. On the one hand I would be "go for it guys". But official permission... I wouldn't know where to stand.

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#77 Post by Mink » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:48 am

Welp, I'll be brave honest and say officially I'd say no to hentai*. But if I don't actually know about it, well, there you go.

And keeping in mind the fact writers have been sued by fan fiction writers, I can't say I blame anyone for officially saying no to any and all fan work/art.

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#78 Post by Samu-kun » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:59 am

I think the lesson I got from this is to go to law school, learn the law, and then get them prosecuted for attempted blackmail, fraud, and misrepresentation. Heh...

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#79 Post by LateWhiteRabbit » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:03 am

Mink wrote:Welp, I'll be brave honest and say officially I'd say no to hentai*. But if I don't actually know about it, well, there you go.

And keeping in mind the fact writers have been sued by fan fiction writers, I can't say I blame anyone for officially saying no to any and all fan work/art.

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'Brave' because it's in my personal experience that if you say you're not into hentai/porn/sex scenes/whatever, you get mocked for it. No one on this board has actually done this to me (yet), but...8|

I could never bring myself to mock someone that displays the good taste of having Nikola Tesla as an avatar.

I'd say creators and copyright holders have to walk a fine line with hentai fanworks. Even if the creator personally doesn't mind, they can't be seen to give support either, for fear of offending fans of their work that dislike hentai. And hentai fanwork is one of those things that is likely to happen whether you want it to or not if your work is popular enough. Coming out against it would likely open up the copyright holders to mockery or even a surge in hentai fanwork, or might offend fans that DO like hentai. So really, the best response from copyright holders in that department is simply silence.

Disney learned that with the 1967 poster "Disney Memorial Orgy". (I'll let you Google Image search that if you're curious rather than linking.) At first they decided not to sue to avoid drawing attention to it, then panicked when it looked like it might become popular and sued, drawing massive attention to the fanwork anyway. I guess Disney's only saving grace on that one was how small their Princess line was at the time. :lol:

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#80 Post by Mink » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:28 am

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Mink wrote:Welp, I'll be brave honest and say officially I'd say no to hentai*. But if I don't actually know about it, well, there you go.

And keeping in mind the fact writers have been sued by fan fiction writers, I can't say I blame anyone for officially saying no to any and all fan work/art.

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'Brave' because it's in my personal experience that if you say you're not into hentai/porn/sex scenes/whatever, you get mocked for it. No one on this board has actually done this to me (yet), but...8|

I could never bring myself to mock someone that displays the good taste of having Nikola Tesla as an avatar.

The only people who would are probably Edison supporters. >x>
I'd say creators and copyright holders have to walk a fine line with hentai fanworks. Even if the creator personally doesn't mind, they can't be seen to give support either, for fear of offending fans of their work that dislike hentai. And hentai fanwork is one of those things that is likely to happen whether you want it to or not if your work is popular enough. Coming out against it would likely open up the copyright holders to mockery or even a surge in hentai fanwork, or might offend fans that DO like hentai. So really, the best response from copyright holders in that department is simply silence.

I'd probably only say it if someone actually asked me. If I don't know, I won't/can't care.

Edit: actually, there's a fan fiction site I came across where J.K. Rowling asked them not to have explicit work, but was fine with their being fan fiction on it. People seemed relatively okay with that, so I guess it depends on the person if they go, "WELL I'LL DO IT ANYWAY, SO THERE." But then that could ruin it for everyone (i.e. no fan fiction whatsoever), so I don't know.
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#81 Post by LateWhiteRabbit » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:56 am

Mink wrote:
LateWhiteRabbit wrote:I could never bring myself to mock someone that displays the good taste of having Nikola Tesla as an avatar.

The only people who would are probably Edison supporters. >x>

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#82 Post by Mink » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:16 am

Manga Tesla. Huh. I guess it's less weird than Alan Moore as a moe school girl. (<--- Seriously, why does that...exist? How do you get that out of this? ...My brain hurts)

I've also realized my previous post is kind of a catch-22: someone asks, they get told no. I wouldn't tell them no if they didn't ask. The polite thing to do would probably be to ask. So...yeah. /logic I suppose it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission...? Unless it's a company that can actually sue your pants off.
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#83 Post by AlexisPius » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:28 pm

LateWhiteRabbit wrote:
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Oh, that's the manga by the fellow that did Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Great author. In fact, I have a theory that he and Edison may actually be the same person.

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#84 Post by Starshine » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:50 pm

I can see why Disney sued the creator of that game, the artwork is just amazing. If the creator wasn't selling the game, i dont think they should have had the right to have sued them. Most japanese creators, who make fan based games usually release them as anonymous, so that the creators cannot sue them for anything. Although i have read many case's with Disney and they always win.
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#85 Post by fleet » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:39 pm

Starshine wrote:I can see why Disney sued the creator of that game, the artwork is just amazing. If the creator wasn't selling the game, i dont think they should have had the right to have sued them. Most japanese creators, who make fan based games usually release them as anonymous, so that the creators cannot sue them for anything. Although i have read many case's with Disney and they always win.


I know there are six pages to this topic, and I don't blame you for not reading all of them. The lawsuit was a fraud, some person sent an e-mail to the game's producer, threatening to sue for $78,000. The game producer tried to contact the author of the e-mail and didn't get a response, so he contacted Disney's legal department, who didn't know anything about it. It is my opinion that, upon realizing how much trouble he could be in if Disney REALLY decided to sue (from past cases Disney lawsuits start at $1,000,000), the producer stopped production.
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#86 Post by Starshine » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:52 pm

fleet wrote:
Starshine wrote:I can see why Disney sued the creator of that game, the artwork is just amazing. If the creator wasn't selling the game, i dont think they should have had the right to have sued them. Most japanese creators, who make fan based games usually release them as anonymous, so that the creators cannot sue them for anything. Although i have read many case's with Disney and they always win.


I know there are six pages to this topic, and I don't blame you for not reading all of them. The lawsuit was a fraud, some person sent an e-mail to the game's producer, threatening to sue for $78,000. The game producer tried to contact the author of the e-mail and didn't get a response, so he contacted Disney's legal department, who didn't know anything about it. It is my opinion that, upon realizing how much trouble he could be in if Disney REALLY decided to sue (from past cases Disney lawsuits start at $1,000,000), the producer stopped production.


Really? so it was a fraud, yeah i only read the first page. It's a shame he stopped making the game. I know of a simuler story, a game company created fighting games from 1999-2000, but before they could release part 3, the whole plans were scrapped, and i basically think it had something to do with copyright. Plus they were selling the games. (I'ts the opposite to visual novels, which would be classed as a fighting game, plus they were using characters they didn't own, the company is shut down, but the website is still up and running.

Here is a link to another scrapped game (not a visual novel, but created by japanese people), stopped being created due to copyright, becuse they already made 1 & 2, and they were planning to make a third game, which can be seen in the logo:
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#87 Post by Tsundere Lightning » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:05 pm

Mink wrote:Welp, I'll be brave honest and say officially I'd say no to hentai*. But if I don't actually know about it, well, there you go.

And keeping in mind the fact writers have been sued by fan fiction writers, I can't say I blame anyone for officially saying no to any and all fan work/art.

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'Brave' because it's in my personal experience that if you say you're not into hentai/porn/sex scenes/whatever, you get mocked for it. No one on this board has actually done this to me (yet), but...8|


Why on earth would an otherwise intelligent person mock someone who's not into porn? I - as someone who IS into porn, this baffles me.
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#88 Post by Mink » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:48 pm

Because it apparently makes you a prude and that is a terrible thing.
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#89 Post by Sapphi » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:20 pm

Mink wrote:Because it apparently makes you a prude and that is a terrible thing.


Don't worry, if anybody made fun of you for that, they'd have to make fun of me too :)

Personally I wouldn't condone or encourage H-doujinshi/fics/art of my characters, but I don't think I could bring myself to ask people not to distribute them (Unless it was being confused for the original work). I think it would become a subjective nightmare, like "Well this pairing is okay, this pairing is not" or "As long as it's drawn a certain tasteful way", etc. You can have sex scenes without being explicit, but the definition of explicit is very stretchy, and, well, in short, it's not my fault what other people do to my characters! :P

That's not to say I don't roll my eyes or feel sick when I see people writing terrible fics and making characters act entirely different, but some of my earliest stories (read: 6-8 years old) were doujinshi (of Superbook characters!) so I can at least understand.
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#90 Post by JDarryl » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:08 am

It wasn't a very honorable to put someone else's character in your game and beheading him to begin with, but Mickey Mouse from Disney ? Really? They could've seen this coming.

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