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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#46 Post by Samu-kun » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:16 am

Five years? Pah, plenty of time left for me. ^_^

See? I just posted on Lemma when it's 1:20 AM and I still have 20 more pages of reading in a undergrad pre-law course. Ah well. I guess 20 pages isn't too bad.

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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#47 Post by mikey » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:00 am

DaFool wrote:...some statistics seem to say that on average, the length of time that someone who starts playing visual novels... , until they stop ..., is roughly 5 years. The next milestone is 10 years, and it's assumed by then that more than half of the people here would have moved on to other things... that's life.
To be honest though, that's the case in more or less every hobby. I can't se this not be true for kite flying, role playing, watching telenovelas... It's not that it's anime, or VNs - it's that after a certain intensive time, you will have exhausted the bulk of what a hobby can give you - in fact you would probably have to be mentally challenged to experience the same joys and first-time enthusiasm everytime a new lifestyle anime comes along. Especially exchanging opinions and keeping up with the mainstream will inevitably get tiresome after a while, since there is just no outcome.

Of course it's a bit different when your hobby is active (creative), the span can then probably go on indefinately. So maybe my most intensive times as VN player are gone (doesn't stop me from enjoying a VN from time to time), but as a VN maker, I'm still fine... at least that's what I think :) If you are being creative, you leave something behind and that gives your hobby a purpose, and something you can look back on, and for me this is both a reason as well as motivation to continue.
DaFool wrote:NNL the guys who gave us Mizuiro. I also realized these folks, as well as the folks at insani, are of the same generation of anime fandom (the ones who still remember elite-fansubs). We're in our late twenties now, which means getting busier which means retiring from some hobbies.
Early thirties, for me :) But I'm not sure it's because things are getting "busier". I, for one, feel much more free than when I was a teenager. I can make my own decisions and free up my own time. Also, I'm not convinced that your good life ends by taking some responsibilities. In fact, you have much more control over it than ever before, so if you want to have your hobby, you can be even more flexible. I just don't believe that if you drop your hobbies and what you like doing, you'll magically become adult. My hobby is very important to me, regardless of how people consider game making, I just wouldn't be happy without it. My wife knows this, she supports me, and in turn I'm inspired and motivated... so if you love your hobby and it doesn't consume you (which is always bad), I see no reason for dropping it. You can love and play Pokemon, and still be very professional at work, as well as passionate in your family life.

So... I just don't think pessimism is justified. Often it's more a question of personality.

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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#48 Post by M12 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:58 am

Yeah, sometimes hobbies can't satisfy for a long period. When I was a teenager, I loved Shounen manga like Yuu Yuu Hakusho, etc. Now, I'm not interested in Naruto or One Piece.

But having said that, I believe passion is different to hobbies. I have a passion for writing and basketball, and so, ten years later, I'm still very interested in both :D.

Anyway, nice birthday cards everyone :D! Here's another:
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Hope you recognise the characters :mrgreen:!

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#49 Post by mikey » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:15 pm

M12 wrote:But having said that, I believe passion is different to hobbies. I have a passion for writing and basketball, and so, ten years later, I'm still very interested in both :D.
For total linguistic confusion, "interests" can also be added. :)
jk, I just wanted to say that it's not growing up if you give up what you like.

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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#50 Post by Mr. E » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:17 pm

An opportunity to show some of the N&L artwork and also wish the forums a happy birthday at the same time? How can I resist? :mrgreen:
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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#51 Post by Vatina » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:40 am

M12 wrote: Hope you recognise the characters :mrgreen:!
Sure, it's nice to see them again :D

The thing about the 5-years span can sound depressing, but a lot of new members have also come to forums - so they should be able to keep it alive for another 5 years, right? :P
I also like the point about hobbies lasting longer when taking a creative approach to them. I think this is very true, as I believe this is the case for myelf too.

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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#52 Post by lordcloudx » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:00 am

mikey wrote:To be honest though, that's the case in more or less every hobby. I can't se this not be true for kite flying, role playing, watching telenovelas... It's not that it's anime, or VNs - it's that after a certain intensive time, you will have exhausted the bulk of what a hobby can give you - in fact you would probably have to be mentally challenged to experience the same joys and first-time enthusiasm everytime a new lifestyle anime comes along. Especially exchanging opinions and keeping up with the mainstream will inevitably get tiresome after a while, since there is just no outcome.
That's alright. People IRL always say I'm mentally-challenged anyway. :twisted:

Anywayz, 光-chan says congratulations to lemmasoft with this custom logo and hopes you still remember her too. (semi-animated gif to follow later)
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#53 Post by mugenjohncel » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:20 am

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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#54 Post by akemicchi » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:59 am

Five years? That's pretty disheartening... :< But I agree with what the others have said; if you take a more interactive, creative approach to your hobbies, I think they'll last much longer. I know I'd get really bored, really fast if I didn't do anything creative with my hobbies.

Also, happy (almost?!) birthday, Lemmasoft! <3

lawl, working character design of one of my game characters. :P
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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#55 Post by mikey » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:52 am

lordcloudx wrote:That's alright. People IRL always say I'm mentally-challenged anyway. :twisted:
I'd go with a new slogan in that case - Special games from a "special" game maker. :)
Well, I got my share of disrespect based on the fact I like anime and games... but maybe that's part of the charm.

EDIT: Forgot to mention my favorite quote by Elliot Carver: "The distance between genius and insanity is measured only by success."

Anyway, it's the 25th... happy birthday. It's a really nice place on the internet, this.

I'll check the IRC this evening and tomorrow as well, I'll be available the whole Saturday. Hope to meet a lot of people. See you there.

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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#56 Post by lordcloudx » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:06 pm

mikey: that's a really nice quotable quote. I think I'll use it as a comeback next time.

Anywayz, animated Custom Logo time
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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#57 Post by Mikan » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:05 pm

There's people chatting right now, so join people, join~

How to connect to the channel (for windows users):
1. Install mIRC. (http://www.mirc.com/get.html)
2. Open mIRC and fill in the blanks (or skip to step 3)
3. Click link: irc://irc.freenode.org/renpy .
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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#58 Post by PyTom » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:11 pm

You can also join the channel by going to

http://java.freenode.net/index.php?channel=renpy

assuming you have Java on the machine.

We'll be holding a voice chat today @ 4:30pm EST (20 minutes from now), using skype. Join the IRC channel and we'll invite you to the voice chat.
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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#59 Post by PyTom » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:45 pm

We've switched to using teamspeak.

http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads

The server is lemmasoft.renai.us. I'll keep it running for a while.
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Re: LSF @ 5 - Celebrations

#60 Post by lordcloudx » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:00 am

aww... looks like I'll be gone for most of the day. Enjoy yourselves everyone.
How do you make your games? I see. Thank you for the prompt replies, but it is my considered opinion that you're doing it wrong inefficiently because I am a perfushenal professional. Do it my way this way and we can all ascend VN Nirvana together while allowing me to stroke my ego you will improve much faster. Also, please don't forget to thank me for this constructive critique or I will cry and bore you to death respond appropriately with a tl;dr rant discourse of epic adequately lengthy proportions. - Sarcasm Veiled in Euphemism: Secrets of Forum Civility by lordcloudx (Coming soon to an online ebook near you.)

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