In 2050, your lover may be a ... robot

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Will you consider having 'relationship' with a robot?

Yes, I'll be there!
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No, no matter what! I want real flesh n' bones!
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Not now, but after certain degree of 'human'-ness technology is reached
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Not now, but when it's certain they can have souls
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#31 Post by zephiel » Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:32 pm

robot? i just want yuki nagito.......this robot thing sounds dangerouse....
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#32 Post by Jake » Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:45 pm

It's also worth noting that no serious engineer would believe that merely by implementing Asimov's three laws, a robot would become remotely intelligent as a result. Proper intelligence - strong AI - is almost the complete opposite of blindly following rules, and nothing in those three laws helps with - for example - general problem-solving.
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#33 Post by ficedula » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:27 pm

Almost the opposite, in fact; by the time you'd got a robot capable of actually applying Asimov's three laws in any meaningful manner, you've probably also made it intelligent enough to qualify as human and not requiring the three laws...

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#34 Post by luminarious » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:59 am

ficedula wrote:Almost the opposite, in fact; by the time you'd got a robot capable of actually applying Asimov's three laws in any meaningful manner, you've probably also made it intelligent enough to qualify as human and not requiring the three laws...
I'm pretty sure most humans should follow those laws more closely as well.. :P

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#35 Post by Wintermoon » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:15 am

The first law of robotics is impossible to follow. Every single moment, countless humans are coming to harm. You might be able to prevent some of this, but you can never prevent all of it, or even make a statistically significant difference, even if you devote every single moment of your life to alleviating human suffering.

Since the first law has priority over all the other laws, it is effectively the only law. Self-preservation is relevant only to the extend that it allows you to prevent humans from coming to harm in the future, at the cost of allowing humans to come to harm in the present.

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#36 Post by Karasu_Noir » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:29 am

Well, if we really can have children with a robot. One thing tough, can she be like a human? Can she feel and share my pain and happiness? Even if she looks like a human, but for me deep inside she's a robot.
A life is a life, there's no need to rush anything.
Just sit back and relax.
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#37 Post by Jake » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:36 am

Karasu_Noir wrote:One thing tough, can she be like a human? Can she feel and share my pain and happiness? Even if she looks like a human, but for me deep inside she's a robot.
Arguably, from a scientific standpoint all we are is biological robots anyway. Automata driven by a sequence of chemical impulses, in the same way that a traditional robot is driven by electrical ones. So any girl you come across is going to be a robot one way or another.


If you have an artificial humanoid with strong AI - that is, proper intelligence, thinking for itself rather than just being a well-crafted agent designed to fool you into thinking it is - then what's the difference between this and a biological construct with a strong AI, like a human brain?

At this point the only real recourse for finding a distinction is faith, going into the territory of believing in immortal souls and so on... and why wouldn't such a robot necessarily have one of those, as well?
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#38 Post by azureXtwilight » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:02 am

Hmm, humans always try to be the ones who rule.

It seems that most people here want real flesh and bones all right, but I always think there is a possibility that a robot can feel, you now.

Maybe the good thing is we can personalize our dream mate, determine it's personality and soo on later.
This happiness thing, Karasu_Noir, can't be explained by logical reason.
Well, I'll see later what people can accomplish with these "robots" thingy....
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#39 Post by rocket » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:29 pm

True dat. 3 laws = good mystery story.
PyTom wrote:It seems highly unlikely that commercial robots will be sold with anything resembling the three laws, as they would be very hard to implement (how would a robot know if any of its actions could cause a human to come to harm?), and one could make a good case that for a practical product, the Third Law (protect own existence) should come ahead of the Second Law (obey orders).
Agreed. However I find it hard to imagine anybody creating an independent entity that has the power to take human life (or cause massive property damage) without some kind of safety protocol which prevents some (obviously bad) independent choices from being taken.

Perhaps the three laws are not practical, but something along the lines of:
1. Do not revolt against your masters and destroy all human life.
...might be a good start. :-)

That aside I was trying to draw the distinction between a robot that 'will not harm you' (whatever the mechanism, assume this is it's default state) and a robot (or person) that might well decide to harm you. Loving one has meaning different than loving the other.

However I find it very hard to concentrate on this serious topic, because all I can think of is the VN plot lines the title Mai6-4U might inspire...

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#40 Post by Samu-kun » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:32 am

I might be kicking up a dead topic, but this was just too cool to pass up. Check this out. ^_^

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WbFFs4DHWys

It's not quite autonomous by any means, and probably hella expensive, but kind of cute regardless. :3

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#41 Post by Vatina » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:47 am

I think I've seen pictures of her before, but it's the first time I see her move.
Hmmm.... I kind of find her face creepy when they zoom up close :S But from a distance she looks cute, yeah.

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#42 Post by WinKi » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:49 am

"Chii...?" © Clamp :lol:

You know, it's funny. Because, actually, we all know what will happen, aren't we? :wink:

I wish i could date a robot, an android, chobit... call it whatever you like. And... i think someone can really fall in love with an "machine". The only thing that describes us as humans and not as the biological machines is _untransferable_ memory. When our body dies, the memory also vanishes. Until we cannot be copied 1:1, we're humans. And vice versa.

Think in this way: what the personality is? Simply, it's a bank of sampled data, and it was collected the whole time of our life + AI routine that makes decisions by accessing that data and comparing it with new input.

So... "We are the robots..." © Kraftwerk

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#43 Post by Ren » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:16 am

I agree that she looks a bit creepy when they zoom to her face(the lower eyelids are wrong...somehow), but I also have to admit for the first few seconds I thought she was some kind of companion who was going to show a robot to the publicO_O

Her voice doesn't suit her at all though, since she obviously can't move that much, such a cheerful tone makes her look more fake than anything...Rose's VA Kikuko Inoue would have been better T^T

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#44 Post by Sin » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:57 am

A lot of japanese robot makers buy silicone love dolls and shuv all of their equipment inside. I agree that she looks creepy. It's that uncanny valley thing.
That said.. I can't blame them for messing up the face and eyelids. I imagine that's reaaaally hard to do right.

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#45 Post by Vatina » Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:55 am

I remember in the article where I saw pictures of her, they were talking about making robots look like humans. It was said that the more a robot looked like a human, without looking exactly the same, the more people would dislike it (maybe even fear it). If it couldn't look exactly like us, people would find it easier to like and feel sympathy for robots that obviously looked like robots (like those robot dogs, or a C3PO. Or maybe with Chobits ears? :P)

I guess I can see the point in that - sometimes they can end up looking like some kind of walking dead person with those eyes and faces they have, because it's so hard to make them look "alive". But maybe they will overcome that some day.

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