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I was just thinking, which do most people prefer or expect when they play a visual novel. Do you expect there to be choices and different endings? Do you prefer a VN with multi choices and outcomes?
Do kinetic novels turn people off because they have no choices and only one ending? Do you enjoy reading linear stories in the visual novel medium? Would you be willing to read a KN as much a tradition VN?
I'm just curious as to what the LSF community thinks on this topic.
I know that I personally enjoy both! But I think I prefer the KN over the VN. Just because I don't like being disrupted while I'm reading or being forced to make a decision. I also dislike having to read the same or similar text every time I play a different route in a VN which I know can be skipped...but even when you skip it you have to try and fill in all the gaps yourself once you read new text.
I see people writing more VNs than KNs. As an aspiring visual novel writer, I want to concentrate on writing linear stories through the visual novel medium and I want to know if there's a readership for them, I guess. So that's the point of this post... xD
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You can do very interesting things with a story using the visual novel format writing wise, and it seems like you're kind of glossing over some examples of what visual novels do in terms of branching paths. Not all VNs use the same chunk of text to go through different paths. For example, the original Fate/stay night novel has three routes that build up up off of one another and each route has a huge amount of various endings that make it enjoyable for readers to achieve. Those different routes also serve the purpose of showing various characters, their personalities, and how they react to events and to one another. FSN basically uses the traditional VN format to help build up its characters and world.
I guess what I'm saying here is that I like kinetic if the story is decent enough, while I think visual novels are good for exploring characters and their world because you give your reader the option to see different angles through the choices implemented in that format. Granted, you can do that with kinetic, but the experience and momentum wouldn't be quite the same.
So I guess my point is, is that your story, kinetic or not, should be interesting. Give your reader an interesting premise, good writing, decent visuals.
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I'm a very visual person, and I enjoy reading dialogue/interaction more than prose, so a linear VN is more of what I really enjoy than a conventional novel is. I mean, the format has its own strengths and weaknesses of course - it's not better at being a novel than a novel is - but it has its own unique traits that make it enjoyable for different reasons. It's like comparing a comic book and a novel (and all other things being equal, a comic book is probably what I'd prefer).
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Piet - I lean more towards VNs rather than KNs, but I do know that there are times when VN is the way to go, and there are times when KN is the way to go. I think it depends on the story you want to tell, really. Both formats can be effective if used properly.
Rivaldi - I have never really thought about preference when it comes to these kinds of things, but I think I prefer KNs, personally. Sometimes, when I am presented with a decision, even with the knowledge that it is a game, I take it a bit too seriously and so I get paralyzed, to an extent. I would still play a VN, as long as it has a good story and execution.
Jin - I like both! Making choices in VNs is fun, and at least I don't really have to experience the consequences. XP I also like being able to just read through scenes and not worry about anything too in KNs.
Shin - No care if KN or VN. If like, then like. If not like, then not like. Per game basis.
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VN that include choices are interesting to see through, it's like they have different timelines and how choices in real life affects our lives, so I love that aspects in VN with choices. (akin to collecting the stories)
I play VN/KN because I want to know the story told by the people who create the game. Understanding what they're projecting, thinking and imagine via VN they made, same with KN.
Reading is one of my hobby since I was little beside drawing, for me VN/KN is reading a whole new world via interactive novel (and that's what Visual Novel is) So I don't mind reading/playing both c:
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I suppose it's because I know the way I experienced the story was the best way to experience it, and was itself crafted to be the exact intended experience. There's something in that I love.
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KnotUntied's comment makes me wonder, though, what a style-breaker would be in this case. I might be thinking a bit too literally here, but hmm.
A VN that ends up like a KN might make people feel cheated, but a KN means it's probably impossible to allow the player to put some input that would indicate that they react to things differently. Well, maybe with some coding magic you can do that. It would totally be interesting, though, to see non-conventional things like this coming true. Like I said, though, probably not what they meant.
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I had read/played great VN and great KN, while played examples of both that I was not really into.
Created good, a Kinetic Novel can create a unique experience, and the user will not be able to lose at all in the story, but experiment the exact plot that was intended.
On the other hand, if you create a Visual Novel, the player might feel more in the shoes of the main character, this adds to the involvement, and also adds to the replay value, but depending on how different is each route, it adds a multiplier for each route. For example you have 3 routes, it could take 3X the time to create it, or even more, depending, again on how different is each route.
The time spend on creating VN could pe spent on creating 2 KN, if you think it this way, and not all players will be enough of enthusiasts to complete all routes.
There are good sides and bad sited of both, the most important characteristic of both is the quality of writing, art and sound. A greatly done VN will make players come back to finish all routes, while a KN with a satisfying ending will be great (given that for one person, not all routes of a VN can give an equal amount of satisfaction with the ending to all players) !
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How important is understanding the consequences of player choices to your story? How important is "What if?". Do you want to tell more than one story, but have them start at (roughly) the same point in space and time or have the same characters?
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This.Nylan wrote:How important is understanding the consequences of player choices to your story? How important is "What if?". Do you want to tell more than one story, but have them start at (roughly) the same point in space and time or have the same characters?
Also, the level of choice you allow within your VN/KN can affect the way the themes in your story are received. This is especially true if the idea of choice and consequence is a factor in your plot.
I think that if you're not set up to expect to be able to change the outcome, then a KN is completely fine. It's only when you have an expectation that it's going to be a VN, then you feel cheated (although I guess this is rare).