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#1 Post by PyTom » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:47 pm

Some would do well to read and understand today's xkcd.
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#2 Post by Wintermoon » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:13 am

Clearly incorrect. The vast majority of horrible, horrible literature contains no made-up words.

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#3 Post by papillon » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:39 am

Perhaps that should be "in scifi/fantasy", where this problem is most likely to occur?

But even then, you'd be amazed how much INUTTERABLY DREADFUL Harry Potter fanfic makes up no new words at all... :) (Or only one, to describe the new magical creation that constitutes its Mary Sue.)

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#4 Post by N0UGHTS » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:40 am

:laughs at graph:
That's true, that's true...

...None of you guys are taking the graph seriously, right? Hope not...

Pah. The example is stupid. Everyone knows "awesomer" was already a word!
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#5 Post by Nafai » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:33 am

And yet the graph reverses when it comes to poetry :)
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Re: XKCD

#6 Post by Showsni » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:57 pm

Of course, there are a lot of exceptions... Shakespeare, for instance. (I know the alt text mentions Tolkien and Carroll, but even then there are a lot more.) I think one of the xkcd's forums member's idea was best; flip the graph, and change it to number of made up words against how good the book has to be to pull it off.

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#7 Post by Neon Lemmy Koopa » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:51 am

xkcd is hilarious. Although I didnt seem to understand this one
Now, they often call me Speedo, But my real name is Mr. Earl!
Now, they often call me Speedo, But my real name is Mr. Earl!
Known for meetin' brand new fellas and takin' other folk's girl!
Now, some, they call me Joe, Some may call me Moe
Just remember Speedo, he don't never take it slow
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#8 Post by N0UGHTS » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:57 am

More neologisms = Less chance that the writing will be good.
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#9 Post by Hudzon » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:40 pm

I completely disagree. One of my favorite things about Terry Pratchett's writing is his word play and new words he makes up.

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#10 Post by Wintermoon » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:48 pm

Neologisms are a sign of creativity. Both uncreative and creative authors can write crappy fiction. The former write forgettable crap. The latter write memorable crap - the kind that people keep quoting as an example of bad writing. Hence, it often seems that bad fiction contains many neologisms, because the bad fiction that people remember does.

But creativity is unequivocally a good thing. Writing memorable fiction is also a good thing. I might even go so far as to say that writing memorable fiction is more important than writing "good" fiction.

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#11 Post by Fox Lee » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:56 pm

"Younglings".
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