Re: [SLOWDOWN] Please be careful who you give business to.
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:05 am
Oh man... Topagae has really started some heated debate here. I haven't read everything, but I think it's really rather simple. It's obvious that while Topagae intentions might have been good and maybe he really has a great product, but he is unable to win the trust of other developers. And if he is unable to win the trust of developers, how much less would he be able to win the trust of potential customers? (who are ten times more careful)
So it doesn't matter if Topagae's intentions are good or not or if his product works or not... I wouldn't invest in his services because even if his product and intentions are good he is obviously completely unable to secure customer trust, so i will be sure to loose my money one way or the other.
So i think if Topagae really has a good product and really means well, then he should work on his approach and first of all secure the trust of the end user and THEN the trust of programmers and THEN you can ask people to invest in you.
One way you could do this is to first make your product free for programmers and end users. If it really has such a great potential as you claim there will soon be many people using it. This also gives you time to remove all the bugs that might come up. Then once your product has become popular, you can make a deluxe version that costs money or you can still charge money for your hosting services. And then you will find that people trust you much more because they have already learned the value of your free version and will then be happy to spend a few pennies for some additional services.
This is just ONE way you could do it... but you have to mind your approach... you know there are a lot of scammers out there and they always look for a new niche that hasn't been targeted before. But what they all have in common is they talk a lot but even after all that talk they are unable to really show you any specifics. All that they can show you are things that could easily be set up in minutes by anyone (despite their claiming to have been working on the project for years). Any opposition or questions raised that might lay doubt on their legitimacy will either be met with excuses or with blatant personal attacks or will simply be ignored completely but will never be actually addressed in a sincere, logical or satisfying manner. And in the end they will ask for some kind of investment (doesn't have to be money). Then once they have succeed in scamming a few people or once their scheme is exposed they suddenly disappear as fast as they appeared and without a trace and will start targeting the next niche group with a similar scheme under a new name. So while i want to believe you are not one of those bad guys your approach is similar so people might THINK that you are, so i wouldn't wanna make business with you one way or the other unless you change your approach.
So it doesn't matter if Topagae's intentions are good or not or if his product works or not... I wouldn't invest in his services because even if his product and intentions are good he is obviously completely unable to secure customer trust, so i will be sure to loose my money one way or the other.
So i think if Topagae really has a good product and really means well, then he should work on his approach and first of all secure the trust of the end user and THEN the trust of programmers and THEN you can ask people to invest in you.
One way you could do this is to first make your product free for programmers and end users. If it really has such a great potential as you claim there will soon be many people using it. This also gives you time to remove all the bugs that might come up. Then once your product has become popular, you can make a deluxe version that costs money or you can still charge money for your hosting services. And then you will find that people trust you much more because they have already learned the value of your free version and will then be happy to spend a few pennies for some additional services.
This is just ONE way you could do it... but you have to mind your approach... you know there are a lot of scammers out there and they always look for a new niche that hasn't been targeted before. But what they all have in common is they talk a lot but even after all that talk they are unable to really show you any specifics. All that they can show you are things that could easily be set up in minutes by anyone (despite their claiming to have been working on the project for years). Any opposition or questions raised that might lay doubt on their legitimacy will either be met with excuses or with blatant personal attacks or will simply be ignored completely but will never be actually addressed in a sincere, logical or satisfying manner. And in the end they will ask for some kind of investment (doesn't have to be money). Then once they have succeed in scamming a few people or once their scheme is exposed they suddenly disappear as fast as they appeared and without a trace and will start targeting the next niche group with a similar scheme under a new name. So while i want to believe you are not one of those bad guys your approach is similar so people might THINK that you are, so i wouldn't wanna make business with you one way or the other unless you change your approach.