[SAI]Art Teacher Wanted [Closed]

[EzzyAlpha]

Fine. Here.

Do a sketch with Pen, new layer, it's the first button on the area above Layer list. Ink with Pen or Ink Pen. The names of tools are on top, so you should figure it out. On the options to the left, click Selection Source. Click Bucket, select Selection Source bellow. New layer, drag it bellow inked layer. Hide or delete sketch layer. On new layer, use bucket to fill. You can use one layer or several, one per color. Lay flats. Flats are base colors. Make a new layer above every color layer, for shadows. Select Clipping Group on each shadow layer. Do shadows. If you want soft shadows, use Airbrush. Or blend with Marker, Brush or Watercolor.

There. Everything else is practice.

[LVUER]

Like I said, you asked a "bad" question. If you don't want to spend like 10 or 20 minutes to write a proper question, how do you expect people want to spend 30 or more minutes to answer your question? Your previous question/statement didn't describe at all that you already good at traditional drawing. This is important factor in answering your question.

It seems your problem is you can't use SAI properly. I don't use SAI (I have one but I prefer FLASH) so I can't really help you there except giving you tutorial link.

Anyway, why don't try other software? Photoshop, GIMP, Open Canvas. Or FLASH (yes, some people use this one to draw and coloring). I must admit SAI could be hard to learn if you already proficient at Photoshop (or other similar software).

[Fawn]

honestly the other software is just as hard to learn. Sai is very basic and has great control for tablet users, I always doodle in it and even do studies in it.

I'm having trouble when I have to draw with SAI. My traditional drawings are always better than what they become after I get to Line art and coloring digitally. I'm not learning to draw, I'm perfecting my technique. I need someone to look at my work and going. "You're doing "that" and it isn't working so try "this". Screen captures and a few words don't help me at all. Someone with skype or another program that has the ability to show their desktop can easily help me. I could probably even get the help I need from someone who write descriptive instructions.

You should always be learning how to draw- it's a muscle, you have to keep it up. Even if you get a person that is willing to go out of their way to teach you Sai, you won't get better unless you try everything yourself and work hard on it.

If you want someone to look at your work and really give a critique, just post it in this section and ask for people to go over mistakes/what you should be doing, you don't need to have someone go through every little detail. You have to be able to try what people ask you to do, don't just give up cause you don't have 100% clear baby-step instructions- part of learning how to draw is taking your own risks and trying new ideas by yourself. With tips from the community you can easily shape your digital art into what you want it to be; you just have to apply what people tell you.

I know I'm kind of beating this topic to death, but, you're most likely not the only one who thinks this way- some day another new artist might read our posts and say "oh, okay, I understand now" and the event will not repeat itself. Also, I'm not trying to be insulting or mean; if I come off that way I'm really sorry. I just want to give you the plain blunt facts.

[Aquane]

Guys, I think you were a little harsh. Some people do actually try and still can't get it right.. me for example, I basically gave up on art. I tried for about 5 years drawing anime, it never improved no matter how many tutorials I watched or all the long hours I practiced. I bought an expensive tablet, tried different programs and learned everything about them. I'd say if I were to try again, I'd also like a teacher..

[Fawn]

Well, it seems spoiled to ask such a thing to people like myself who have put a lot of hard work into their art. It's almost like you're asking "I can't do it myself, why don't you give me some of your hard-earned talent instead so I don't have to work hard like you did? Then I'll be just as good as you with no practice!"

Just sayin'. If you've really tried hard work and it didn't work for you, well, sorry kid but you weren't trying hard enough. It's typical though, plenty of people realize that they won't be good as fast as they want to be and just give up.

[Hayzel]

Well, it seems spoiled to ask such a thing to people like myself who have put a lot of hard work into their art. It's almost like you're asking "I can't do it myself, why don't you give me some of your hard-earned talent instead so I don't have to work hard like you did? Then I'll be just as good as you with no practice!"

Just sayin'. If you've really tried hard work and it didn't work for you, well, sorry kid but you weren't trying hard enough. It's typical though, plenty of people realize that they won't be good as fast as they want to be and just give up.

Probably the most indecent thing I've heard someone say..."spoiled" because someone wants to better their craft.

I draw as well as I do now because I had someone teaching me and encouraging me to draw. My friends and I would all draw together then comment and say "well this what you can do to make this better". They never "gave' me their talent. In fact all of our styles are different. We all worked hard on our own, but we all grew and learned from each other.

Why would someone ask for help if they didn't intended to practice and utilize what they are taught?

[Fawn]

I'm sorry if you're offended, but I'm being blunt with you because you'll eventually have to learn things on your own- like I've mentioned many times before, life won't hold your hand.

It's spoiled because you're basically asking someone to hold your hand through the entire art process. Life doesn't work that way. If you really want to improve, you have to work hard on your own- no art cheerleaders saying "yay good for you!". You have to be your own cheerleader, by being proud of yourself by making learning milestones on your own.

Again, like I mentioned before, you can easily get critique from this community by simply posting up a topic with your art in it and asking for critique. Then, you will get many opinions on your art and what you're doing wrong. But you have to also learn how to APPLY those critiques.

Who knows, you could also find friends who will want to help you- but you don't make friends like that just by asking people you don't know to take time out of their life to step you through each and every process for nothing in return.

If you really love drawing, it shouldn't be about people praising you. It should be about your desire to create the images in your head perfectly, for pure enjoyment of yourself. If other people end up liking it, that's wonderful, but that should never be your main goal (unless you're doing a commission or request for someone).

I hope you understand; you have the potential to be a great artist just like anyone else if you just work hard.

[Hayzel]

I didn't ask for someone to hold my hand, I'm asking someone to teach me how to use a program. While you've been taking your time insulting me, someone has taught me how to use the line tool with the edit and color feature, work with opacity for my scans, and adjust the pressure in my lines. They didn't hold my hand and trace with me, they explained what to do then set me off to apply it.

=.= I do work hard and I like my work and it is insulting that you say I don't. I just want to learn how to use SAI to further my craft..

[Aquane]

Well, it seems spoiled to ask such a thing to people like myself who have put a lot of hard work into their art. It's almost like you're asking "I can't do it myself, why don't you give me some of your hard-earned talent instead so I don't have to work hard like you did? Then I'll be just as good as you with no practice!"

Just sayin'. If you've really tried hard work and it didn't work for you, well, sorry kid but you weren't trying hard enough. It's typical though, plenty of people realize that they won't be good as fast as they want to be and just give up.

You joking? ._. why do you think art classes exsist? I for one did work hard, I don't know the person who started this topic, but don't assume one did not. 5 years of constantly doing my bad habbits in art that made everything I drew look childish, and I couldn't find a way out. I stayed up so many nights to finish drawings that would never impress anyone, but most importantly I was not happy with it. You fail to see that some people are completely inept of it, or at least need some guidance. Not to copy someone's style or think that they will be good just because their teacher is. I worked plenty on it, but it isn't worth being deprived of sleep every day and ending up at a dead end, and miserable. I find what you've been saying quite offensive, and it hasn't even been directed at me. You can't just go say "practice and you'll get better" when someone doesn't even know the proper form of something. Creativity cannot be taught like this, but methods certainly can.

Ehhh just wow, cannot explain how I feel about what you've said. That hurts just to hear "Just sayin'. If you've really tried hard work and it didn't work for you, well, sorry kid but you weren't trying hard enough" when I was going to such lengths to improve.

Thing is, to a point I agree with everything thats been said, but some people need extra help. Saying things like that is just plain discouraging.

Hayzel, glad things worked out for you. Good idea about closing this though, seems to create headaches. Sorry about starting this back up, just wanted to state my opinion.

[LVUER]

It seems this thread is spiraling out of control. I just want to say it again though, so Hayzel doesn't misunderstand me. I don't know with others but the problem that I found in your question is not about you asking for help. But rather your "bad" question.

I must admit that at first, I thought you just a lazy person who just want an easy way and ask for someone to teach you everything. But that's all because your question in the first place. Really, why don't you add more details like what is exactly your problems or what do you expect people to REALLY do. Not just "teach me". It will saves lots of trouble, both for you and for your potential helper.

And it's not like I said people don't want to help you. But you must remember that people also have their own problem and couldn't help someone over a long period of time. I've seen lots of people that offer art class on internet for free, only to disappear several days/weeks later (no contact and couldn't email them either).

It's not like there won't be any people that will help you or something. You could see other threads and you'll find people here in LSF is eager to help you (in case you didn't know, I'm trying to help you too, though perhaps not in the way you want/expect). But you could also see in their thread, their way of asking question. Completely different than yours. One thing for sure is that their answer can be answered immediately and no follow-up needed. You wrote you need an art teacher, meaning the person that help you will be bound to help you consistently (like giving you homework every day/week). Honestly, that is asking too much from strangers on internet (and for free).

[Fawn]

@Aquane:
You're comparing art classes to free help for no pay. First of all, you have to pay at least $200 USD for a college-level art class, that is taught by a professional that is getting paid for the expertise. They give you instructions, and you follow them- huh, that sounds just like a tutorial, doesn't it? You could read the same information yourself and get the same out of it. In fact most of us do, I actually learned most of my art "skills" by myself on the internet just reading tutorials.

The reason I got miffed over this whole thing is that Hayzel didn't realize this no matter how many people told him/her. I was going to go out of my way to make a tutorial for him/her explaining how to use sai in great detail, but no- that's not good enough. Someone has to go out of their way to vocalize the tutorial in real time, which is completely unnecessary.

Also, he/she could have just had the answers easily from the community by just plain out asking "how do I do this or that in Sai?" and following the instructions. But he/she never asked; a whole forum that could answer his/her questions is not good enough. I myself tried to tell him/her that their question would be answered if they tried out the tutorials for themselves, but that wasn't good enough. How is that not frustrating?

It seems like Hayzel did not want to try anything, despite the repeated answers that would easily solve their problem. I'm sorry I've been so rude but honestly, as a self-taught artist who's studied for years, the rejection of tutorials and simple instructions because they are "too hard to understand" is very frustrating.

Also, about the "not working hard enough" thing- I meant that they weren't trying hard enough because they gave up. If you just gave up, that means you most likely didn't try learning on your own and gave up thinking you'd never get better. It's easy as pie to ask what to study for art, then you actually apply yourself and get better over time.

I hope you will understand what I mean and not take it as me trying to hurt people's feelings; but as me taking off the sugary coating that often surrounds critique and giving you the honest truth so maybe you can learn from it.

I myself improved a lot more when people were just honest with me and challenged me... I hoped it would work for others.

[Snowflower]

I think what the problem was the way Hayzel had asked in the first post. When I read the post, it gave off some sort of an attitude? Like he/she was expecting someone to create something exactly for his/her desire. Although I myself never create a tutorial, I've helped many people regarding other topics to know that it takes a long time for the outcome to come out exactly the way you want it to. Especially with something like an art tutorial. It takes time.

"don't waste my time with tutorials to DEVi or whatever because they don't help" That seems a little harsh to the creators, don't you think? The artists on deviantart spents hours making those tutorials so that other people can benefit from them.

Basically, I don't disagree with how Fawn has been feeling. But at first glance, some of the things Fawn has written was a little bit harsh, but that's life. Everything can't be all fluffy and nice.

So in the end, if you want to improve, make sure you have something specific in questions. For example, if you want to improve the way you draw faces, say so. If you want a better way to color certain things, make that point clear. In my opinion, the vagueness of the question was what caused the problem.

[Hayzel]

But the thing is, you might be being honest, but you haven't done a thing except give a self-righteous speech about how great you are and how hard you worked to get where you are now and haven't done a thing to help. If you want to be honest 100% of the time, you need to have the tact to back it.

As for the question, instead of flying off the handle and judging me, maybe you could have asked me to rephrase it or make it more clear to you what I was asking. It was hard to describe exactly what I wanted without going intro great detail and boring readers so I stayed broad.


Anyway. This thread needs to end(see closed up at the top). We (just to clarify that I'm apart of this so you don't think I'm putting the blame on just you) are making LSF look bad with arguing. If you still feel the need to lecture me or whatever PM me and let me have it

[sake-bento]

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