I can see one issue with working with a publisher is that the creator may fear a loss of control over his/her own work. But I think that a positive experience is definitely possible when there is cooperation on both sides. Besides, projects tend to follow through a little better when there is cooperation between all members, as opposed to control by one party over the other. vNovel certainly has demonstrated a lean towards this cooperative approach, at least from what I've seen.
Besides, if the vNovel succeeds in helping to bring the VN genre into the mainstream, I think it would benefit the community. More people would become interested in Ren'Py and VN-making in general, and we'd see an even greater variety of titles, both free and commercial.
As for their opening post, I can see how they would want to address the community at large due to the reaction to the Songs of Araiah thread. That said, I think posting it on a forum for general discussion ended up generating more confusion and controversy than if they had responded directly to the original WIP thread in question. As a result, the responses thus far have been noticeably defensive. That said, vNovel does seem to be approaching the community in good faith, and I think it's safe to say that the purpose of this thread is to clarify, not criticize.
Perhaps I'm clueless, but I have yet to see any actual 'attacking' being done in this thread. What I see is a lively exchange of opinions and healthy debate all around. That's not to say that there isn't any tension in the discussion, but such should be expected given how much controversy stems from the 'commercial vs non-commercial' debate, no?jakemorrow wrote:Anyone else got any attacks to direct at a decent publisher who has shown nothing but courtesy and support? o.O ... JESUS!!! What is wrong with you guys!!
Just because they are a business doesn't mean that they are a representative of the "evil" Microsoft and Apple corporations. Seriously, get a grip on yourselves.
I don't really see people bashing vNovel just for being a business. Besides, this isn't the first time we've had a business representative of some sort interacting with the community. Sakevisual, WinterWolves, Hanako Games all follow a business model, yet I don't see much prejudice against them. In case you haven't noticed, people have been trying to establish within the last few posts that Lemmasoft as a community is NOT 'anti-business'.
"Pay respect some respect?" If you're going to throw around platitudes, at least have a bit of integrity. In other words, have some respect for the fact that people will stick to their opinion one way or another, especially where controversy exists. So far, I've seen posts that are rather opinionated, but none that are overtly indecent about it. The only 'disrespectful' post I've seen on this thread thus far is yours. Continue on to see why.jakemorrow wrote: I'm not saying this to defend vNovel, I have a problem with your attitude! This is a friendly community, and it should stay as such for individuals and businesses alike. They are no different to any other indie studio around here. We're all in this sh*t together. So stop ramming heads like apes, be civilized and pay respect some respect!
To be honest, it's also pretty laughable how you generalize the Lemmasoft Community as being composed of all 'westerners', when that's really an unfair statement. Besides, making generalizations against an entire social group is pretty insulting, not to mention, ignorant.jakemorrow wrote: If a Japanese elder person would be reading this thread, he couldn't help but laugh out loud from unbearable sorrow at how disrespectful and egotistical these westerners are.