Ah, okay. Yeah, that's good.trooper6 wrote:Oh sure, that MusicAO was offering was clearly sketchy. But, the reason I commented is because people have been wanting to know what a "normal" time is so they can then judge composers who offer under that normal time as probably scammers, and I wouldn't want people to normalize 40+ hours for a pop song as normal and, for example, be scared off from other legitimate composers who spend 20 hours for a pop song.LateWhiteRabbit wrote: Trooper6 - no one is arguing you can't produce a song in less than 40 hours. Hell, no is arguing producing something isn't possible in just a few hours. What the problem was with MusicAO is that she was supposedly doing that dozens of times a day, each "rushed" song a thing of quality, and she was then handing them off for $5 a piece.
MusicAO was clearly scam-y, but you can be a legitimate composer and compose a lot more quickly than 40+ hrs for a pop song. That is really all I wanted to make clear.
For the people that keep asking how to spot a scam, you really can't get more specific than opening your eyes, evaluating everything critically, applying extra scrutiny when something appears too good to be true, and educating yourself about the common practices and pricing when you are in the market for something.
I'm overly analytical anyway (and cynical) so I'm more prone to apply these steps. It really is just about training yourself to think critically - anyone can do it and be better able to spot scammers. I've told some of the less than stellar aspects of my childhood on here before, but being dragged around on drug deals and to drug dens as a child really helps train you on watching for shady people. My father trained me to spot someone acting shifty (and as a drug dealer, I guess he was an authority on the subject), identify set-ups and undercover cops, etc. Want to train your child's observation skills, put them on watch duty for drug deals.
It is the preponderance of evidence that makes a case - all those tiny things that add up to a lot. Is someone refusing to give you their real name? Are they offering you the moon for peanuts? Look deeper. Treat the internet as the shadiest back-alley marketplace possible by default and modify your behavior accordingly.