firecat wrote:what makes this better than deviantart, the site doesn't have anything to share with people it's just a profile. you also have other competitors like tumblr who offer many ways to share projects and allow to be on people's websites.
Hi firecat, thanks for your reply!
The first thing I'd say to this is that the Lemma Soft Forums and its recruitment board exist, despite Tumblr and Deviant Art. The reason is simple: Tumblr, Deviant Art, Twitter, Facebook, etc are all very general-purpose sites and not really direct competition. Everyone on Lemma Soft knows what a visual novel is, and most of us here develop them, or are associated with the development of them, in some capacity. The same can't be said for those other sites.
To answer the question "what makes this better?": so far I've said something like, "StoryDevs' goal is to help developers of story-focused games find one another." But what's that look like in practice? What are the specific actions people take to find other developers to work with? Well, they probably aren't
looking for just "artist" or "musician." Instead they'll want something more precise like, "a character artist who knows what a visual novel is, who's available, who will work on commission, who's okay with sexual content, who's completed at least a couple of projects before, but not
that one person I'm not interested in."
I'm going to suggest that's not an absurd set of criteria and in fact actually very common. Now let's try to find someone who matches those criteria on, say, Tumblr. Okay, I'm on Tumblr. Now what? How do I make it so I only see character artists that are available? How do I filter only for people who are doing commissions?
IDK how half these results got here but okay (one of them is a photo of a figurine of Samus from Metroid)
As you can see above I make increasingly generous attempts to search for anything even vaguely related and turn up very little. I counted the results in that last search: there were 52 total, with roughly 50% being pretty much irrelevant. Can you find VN artists on Tumblr? Definitely, I do it all the time. But it's through serendipity and going down rabbit holes, not through design or intention. Tumblr, Twitter, dA, etc — they're general purpose sites designed to make things go viral and benefit from it. When you actually have a goal in mind they're surprisingly impotent.
Lemma Soft and Deviant Art's forums do a little better. When I go into the "I am an artist" board here on LSF I know that I won't have to skim over programmers, writers, musicians, and so on. This is a relatively recent change and I think anyone who remembers how it used to be will agree the current arrangement is an improvement. But we still have a similar problem, it's just been reduced in scope. Let's break down the long set of criteria I had earlier—I'm looking for someone who:
- Knows what a VN is
- Does character art
- Is available
- Works for commission
- Has completed two or more projects
- Is okay with sexual content
- Is not someone who I've seen before and am not interested in
Lemma Soft can handle 1. and sort-of 2. (the artist section has BG, GUI, and logo artists too.) It can't handle the rest. This isn't a failing of LSF's staff, it's just that phpBB (the software this forum uses) isn't designed for efficiently searching visual novel developers. Even answering the question "who's available" requires manually scanning every thread title because there's no separation of content and certain types of metadata (e.g., availability). Sometimes threads are bumped to the top even when the person isn't available. StoryDevs is better than forum-based recruitment boards in this regard as it allows you to quickly filter for what you want.
Finally, StoryDevs doesn't generate a load of browser tabs. When you view any other recruitment board you have to open a ton of tabs for each thread that interests you. On StoryDevs you can just do a search then view the results and profiles simultaneously without opening more tabs. And if you do want the profile saved so that you can look at it later, you can just add it to your collection. And you can filter your own collections the way you would with the database. This is useful as it allows you to collect a bunch of, say, musician's profiles then later when you need a musician you can search your collection by filtering for 'available' and 'musician'.
firecat wrote:lastly how will you stop people from unwanted message, not everyone joins for the collaboration.
You won't be able to send people messages via the PM system without an account. That option is just there to give people an idea of what it will be like. As for publicly listed email addresses on peoples' profiles, I'd like to hide them and make it so you need to click on "reveal email" or something to see it.
Shinoki wrote:When you implement the different profile types (writer, musician, etc.), what would you do for the people who do more than one thing? (like a writer and an artist) . . . Btw, I'm interested. Seems like a good idea.
I've not entirely sure yet. I think I'll just need to experiment to get it right. One thought I have is you could have tabs at the top of the profile to switch between work example types. Then when you make/edit your profile you nominate the default tab to be shown. I don't know whether that makes any sense.
Another way would be to simply stack the different work examples on top of one another. So if you're a character artist and a programmer you'd just have an image widget thing like there is now, plus a monospaced code widget beneath that.
(And I'm glad you're interested, thanks!)
Interested in seeing what you have for programmers as well, but I would also suggest allowing them to put images as well as text/code. May also want to make sure the text is syntax highlighted and not just text.
Yeah, I've considered allowing images for folks other than artists... I'm still not sure. I mean, part of it is just trying not to use more bandwidth than necessary since all media will be served from the servers I'm paying for. But another part of it is that I'd prefer writers were evaluated on their writing, programmers on their programming, and so on. Otherwise the writers, programmers, etc who have skilled artist friends will get them to make these really nice banners, whereas less connected folk won't be able to do that.
I don't know though. Maybe that's a silly concern. And programmers who are also artists would still be able to place art on their profiles anyway.
Selebus wrote:This site seems great! Definitely registering.
Cool, looking forward to it!
Alte wrote: Bit-sized gummi bears anyone?
StoryDevs is a neat concept, indeed.
Thanks! (I was really hungry while writing the OP...)