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Planning vs improvising

#1 Post by FairyKing » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:02 am

I'm starting work on a game, and I'm unsure whether I should plan out the story with all its options and routes and whatnot beforehand, or just start writing the story and create whatever choices and branches emerge naturally. Do you have any advice one way or the other? Usually when I write I start out with just a general idea of where I'm going and improvise from there, but I'm not sure if that will work as well for VNs as it does for prose fiction.

If it matters, I'm working all by myself (I'll keep the project small, don't worry) so I won't need to communicate plans or changes to anyone else.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#2 Post by warmsundae » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:16 am

it really depends on the person. personally, I have trouble finishing a project when I don't have the end planned out. I get stuck quickly and I tend to get overambitious with my story branches.

but improvising is fun. sometimes I find a middle ground where I know where I want to take the story, but I don't know how. so I start scripting from there and end up editing a whole lot. writing interactive fiction isn't that different from writing static prose. that's to say, it's got the same pitfalls and obstacles. if you know what method best works for you, I think it's safe to say it'll work for VN writing.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#3 Post by Mammon » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:07 am

There's a saying that before you can break the rules, you have to know the rules. And I'd say that if you want to write a story naturally you'll first need an outline. Write the story out in an outline, a comprehensible outline of all the events in a chronological order where you explain to yourself where what happens and for what reason. No part that says 'insert character development scene here', no, you need to know what you'll be writing there and with who.

This outline will help you prevent a lot of problems that many writers around here face. For example the problem that warmsundae mentioned about making too many story branches can be sifted out this way. If you get bored of writing out all the branches or lose oversight when writing the outline, multiply that by a hundred for the story and you'll know it needs to be trimmed down hard. Another thing you'll do in the outline is keeping track of your assets. In the outline, when there are no full scenes written out yet, you can add characters where they're needed but also easily add these characters to previous scenes to support their existence or scrap a character that doesn't actually have a purpose in the end, before you write the first scene involving them. You can keep the amount of sprites down, make quick assessments how to keep the backgrounds and CGs at a minimum, and put everything in comprehensible numbers at a point where you know whether you can actually make that many assets.

Once you've got your outline, look at how many parts of the story you're rather inspirationless. That thing I mentioned before with the 'insert development here' is a lot more common and a lot more problematic than you think. Getting a good ending or a good plot in the main events is easy for many, getting good pacing and development in between those scenes is only the harder. A lot of people can write something awesome only to find out they have no idea how to mend all the loose scenes together in a proper story.

Once you've got your outline, and it looks like a proper story without chronological holes, you can start writing and once you start writing you can start breaking your own rules. Be sure to go over the change and their consequences in your head, but at this point feel free to write naturally. You know where your story has to go, what the path is, so if a better idea comes up that works with the current, add it.

I myself wrote a 44 page outline for my current project (don't worry, that's a bit overkill, shorter will do to, just make sure not to make it a rushed farce of a summary that won't actually help you at all.) and while writing the story I diverged from that outline quite a bit. The base blueprints are still there, especially the scene plan to make sure that the routes don't all have different lengths is important, but within that outline I can change a lot to my own preference.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#4 Post by arty » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:52 am

I used to write my stories by just writing down every cool thing that occurred to me at the time, but the result was either the plot being ALL over the place, or not finishing the story because I had no goal in mind and therefore nothing to look forward to.

Now I'm more of a planner, and it has worked pretty well for me so far. I still leave some room for random ideas, but I make sure they fit the outline I came up with and have purpose.

I read a book about storytelling/planning, and the author said that you don't even need to follow the traditional plot structure. But if you don't follow it, everything important that happens/appears in your story should happen/appear at least three times in some fashion. It's how characters develop, how concepts get meaning.
It's also great for foreshadowing. I guess you can't do that kind of stuff if you don't plan ahead!

I don't think you have to plan everything down to every little detail or choice, but you should have a good idea of the direction you're leading the reader at all times.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#5 Post by mikolajspy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:58 am

Personally I like to have just any kind of general outline, and then improvise the scenes as I go but still check if I'm following the general outline and not trailing too far off it. The outline might have simple story description, main branch points and characters list.

It's quite easy to create multiple branches, but then you'll have to check the cause-and-effect; do character know about something? Was it in branch A or B? etc.
Generally, look for plotholes in story.

And also there's something many writers forget (and so did I with my first game) - writing is cheap, but adding art to it, isn't.
You can easily set the scenes wherever you want, you can add as many characters as you want... But then you might realize it might be too much.
Every background art, every CG and every sprite set costs both time and money.

So you either plan it ahead, to not get over that. Or you'll end up butchering your story or going half-way with art. Or both.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#6 Post by TheJerminator15 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:32 am

I'm used to just purely winging it, but for a VN which relies heavily on the structure of choices and such I suggest having at the very least an outline of each route and how they branch from one another.

On the opposing side, planning everything and leaving no room for improvisation can be quite stifling, so as Mammon suggested I'd say stick with an outline.
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Re: Planning vs improvising

#7 Post by Lesleigh63 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:28 am

I'm a planner.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#8 Post by Donmai » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:20 am

I'm an improviser.
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Re: Planning vs improvising

#9 Post by Ezmar » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:15 am

I come up with a broad plan, and then once I've got major details and images, I start drafting. I may change things later, but the way I write, the best way to find the specifics of what happens is to write it out and see.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#10 Post by Dovahkitteh » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:49 am

Ezmar wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:15 am
I come up with a broad plan, and then once I've got major details and images, I start drafting. I may change things later, but the way I write, the best way to find the specifics of what happens is to write it out and see.
I second this method. The lack of a detailed outline to go by doesn't suit everyone's tastes, but I like diving into things and letting some elements develop dynamically rather than having everything rigidly laid out; it makes me feel compelled to follow what I've set up for myself even if it doesn't flow as well as it could.

That being said, I think in some particular cases -- for example, mystery stories and rather long games (for me, anything over 150k words) -- having a more solid plan is a wise tactic, no matter how good you are at improvising. Details can always be changed, of course, but most stories stack these details on top of each other from the very beginning in order to form an immersive story and world, and the longer or more intricate your idea is, the more difficult it'll be to change one thing without having a domino effect on the rest of the game.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#11 Post by jisenjeon » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:47 pm

It really depends on the story, but I personally plan every little detail before writing. Improvisation is fun, but planning lets me organize my thoughts and makes it easier for me to keep track of what's happened and what will happen, and if the event I want to introduce will even make sense in the story. Of course, it's different for everyone.

If you are going to improvise for your story, then my personal piece of advice is to write down every little thing that happened as you go along. It's easier to keep track of all the events and there's less of a chance of getting mixed up. If you plan, then try to find a flowchart or "web" maker such as to keep track of your choices. Either way, both options involve writing down your story.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#12 Post by ZetaKen » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm

Personally, I like to make sure that I plan vigorously to make sure that everything makes sense in the context of my stories. Now that doesn't mean that I don't improvise or make changes as I'm planning along, but I get way too nervous about how small changes might affect the overall story. Thought that might just be because I like mysteries and those take quite the time to plan out.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#13 Post by StarluoAngel » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:58 am

What I do is create a general premise for the story. Once I have that, I go about my day listening to music that would fit the game's atmosphere. Often times I get ideas for scenes that could happen between characters so I make sure to write all that down. Once I'm done I look at all the ideas I wrote down and rearrange them in a way that makes sense, and I throw out any ideas that cause giant conflicts with other plot points. I guess you could say I plan stuff, but I do it through basing it off of music and my real life experiences (such as a trip to the supermarket, which could inspire an identical scene in my game).

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#14 Post by saetan » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:06 pm

Going to go with team planning! Things go exponentially hard to write if you want to connect different parts of the plot together, especially if there's a great span of playtime between the pieces you're connecting.

Stuff like foreshadowing and/or Chekov's [insert item here] you'll have to fit into the story on the second draft with meticulous care not to break anything or create plot holes.

That said, excessively detailed plans kill the fun of writing, at least for me. So I just imagine really nice and sweet or heartwrenching scenes and write backwards from them. Connecting as I go and leaving hints along the way.

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Re: Planning vs improvising

#15 Post by Draziya » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:47 pm

I plan and outline. Among other things, this is to make sure I don't run into plot holes or contradict my own lore. Don't want to be halfway through writing only to realise the plot makes no sense!

Once I actually get to writing, things can divert from the outline because now I have a better idea of what I can or cannot do without messing things up.

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