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#1 Post by yukiotome » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:19 am

I'm currently going to start making the CGs for the otome game I'm making but but but! I dunno which scene should i put a CG.......
well, if i'm going to draw a CG about an accidental kiss, should it be before(like TMGS) or after the lips landed on the other party's lips????
I'd be most thankful if you could tell me why since i'm being torn between these two... i wanna draw both but i was adviced to choose only one..... and after thinking thoroughly, i figured that it is too trouble some to draw the two scenes..... @~@
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#2 Post by LVUER » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:48 am

Ummm... how about right WHEN they are kissing (when the lips meet)?
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#3 Post by Scout » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:31 am

Your CGs should show the most dramatic moment possible unless you're deliberately trying to be anticlimactic. That's probably the kiss itself.

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#4 Post by chensterrain » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:21 pm

I think it pretty much just depends on whether you're showing the heroine in the CGs or not - TMGS doesn't show the actual kisses, but then they don't show the main character in CGs at all; if you've shown the heroine's face in other scenes, you might as well show the actual kisses. But either way works, really!

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#5 Post by chronoluminaire » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:52 am

If it's an accidental kiss, then probably better when the characters' lips are touching. Be sure that you can see the look of surprise on their faces :)
If it were a deliberate kiss, with a gradual buildup for several lines earlier, then you could argue the case either way round; I'd say it doesn't really matter.
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#6 Post by Deji » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:29 am

In an accidental kiss, the lips touch for a brief moment before you go "!!!" and separate. It's not a long moment, but something that happens very fast (unless both like the kiss and prolong it for some reason). So I'd avoid drawing a Full CG for it, but maybe a cut-in/panel that flashes really fast and then then the moment they separate and stare at each other in embarrassment?

In the sequential arts field (like comic and manga), usually (not a strict norm, but it's the usual) the size of the panel/drawing is proportional to the time elapsed in the story itself. A big panel, a full-page panel or a double-spread panel is meant to be stared at for a longer time than a regular small panel. Event CGs are pretty much the same for me than those big full-page panels; elements that take up the whole screen and stay there for a while to be stared at. Unless, of course, they are flashed very fast for the player to see them briefly for a reason =P
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#7 Post by Jake » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:21 pm

Deji wrote: In the sequential arts field (like comic and manga), usually (not a strict norm, but it's the usual) the size of the panel/drawing is proportional to the time elapsed in the story itself.
Time is often represented by larger panels, but it's worth noting that larger panels are also sometimes used for events of great significance, regardless of how long they take. Think of the type of panel in an action comic/manga where the hero's sidekick gets shot and he's suspended in half-fall, slightly surprised expression on his face with the exit wound still opening; that kind of thing often gets a big panel because it's got a lot of impact, not because it takes longer than the fraction of a second that an accidental kiss might take. It's the kind of shot that might be shown in slow-motion in an action movie.

While it's true that generally, panel size implies time, it seems to me that event CGs in VNs are most similar to two-page spreads in comics/manga - and it seems to me that those get used for split-second events of great impact about as often as they get used for big long-time-elapsed scene-setting images.
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#8 Post by Deji » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:36 pm

Jake wrote: Time is often represented by larger panels, but it's worth noting that larger panels are also sometimes used for events of great significance, regardless of how long they take. Think of the type of panel in an action comic/manga where the hero's sidekick gets shot and he's suspended in half-fall, slightly surprised expression on his face with the exit wound still opening; that kind of thing often gets a big panel because it's got a lot of impact, not because it takes longer than the fraction of a second that an accidental kiss might take. It's the kind of shot that might be shown in slow-motion in an action movie.

While it's true that generally, panel size implies time, it seems to me that event CGs in VNs are most similar to two-page spreads in comics/manga - and it seems to me that those get used for split-second events of great impact about as often as they get used for big long-time-elapsed scene-setting images.
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As I said, larger panels are supposed to be stared at for longer time, so, as you said, they're also used for impact moments, like the slow-motion worthy moments you mention.

For me, an accidental kiss would be not worth of that. I would probably give that privilege to a sudden and short intentional kiss, though. Accidental ones... mmmm no. But that's only what *I* would do =P
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#9 Post by yukiotome » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:05 pm

Deji wrote: For me, an accidental kiss would be not worth of that. I would probably give that privilege to a sudden and short intentional kiss, though. Accidental ones... mmmm no. But that's only what *I* would do =P
umm.... so it means draw the kissing scene but show it for a very very as in just have a glimpse? Then what if they are too shocked to move? do i stil need to make for just a short time???

and, one other thing. Its fine to show the kiss if it is intentional for a long time? i.e. "Sara who is currently drunk pulled John's necktie and kisses him." sort of thing can be shown for at least longer time??? rather, should really be seen not just for awhile....
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#10 Post by Deji » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:14 pm

yukiotome wrote: umm.... so it means draw the kissing scene but show it for a very very as in just have a glimpse? Then what if they are too shocked to move? do i stil need to make for just a short time???

and, one other thing. Its fine to show the kiss if it is intentional for a long time? i.e. "Sara who is currently drunk pulled John's necktie and kisses him." sort of thing can be shown for at least longer time??? rather, should really be seen not just for awhile....
Well, you should consider what you like yourself. We're just giving opinions here ^^

My own accidental kisses have been very very quick xD No *too shocked to move* thing, haha. That's why *I* would probably flash the kiss moment and then show both looking at each other surprised and embarrassed, like thinking "omg what the hell just happened?....! *blushblush* omg we kissed!!". But, again, that'd be *my* approach.

It's not *wrong* to show a kiss for a long time if you like it that way, intentional, accidental or whatever =3

Maybe you could write a quick draft of the scene, doodle the kiss event CG very basically (as in stick figures or circles with eyes) and put it all together in Ren'Py to see how it works? ^^
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#11 Post by yukiotome » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:29 pm

Deji wrote: Well, you should consider what you like yourself. We're just giving opinions here ^^

My own accidental kisses have been very very quick xD No *too shocked to move* thing, haha. That's why *I* would probably flash the kiss moment and then show both looking at each other surprised and embarrassed, like thinking "omg what the hell just happened?....! *blushblush* omg we kissed!!". But, again, that'd be *my* approach.

It's not *wrong* to show a kiss for a long time if you like it that way, intentional, accidental or whatever =3

Maybe you could write a quick draft of the scene, doodle the kiss event CG very basically (as in stick figures or circles with eyes) and put it all together in Ren'Py to see how it works? ^^
。。。。okay, will do as you tell.... but that would probably have to be discussed with the artist since i just closed a deal just now. will keep it in mind as i process the game. tnx for answering! ^^
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#12 Post by IxIoN » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:55 pm

Hmm, really, make it with your own style. For example, I always try to make things different and shocking. Maybe, reading the sinopsis of your game, yours is more like a comedy one.

If it is a funny scene then make funny faces, they will make the player feel like "Ahaha, WTF." Really, I mean it. Good luch with you project and you found a quite good shoujo artist too :D
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