Re: Seduce Me [GxB][Romance, Comedy][Incubi/Demons][Demo Out
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:00 pm
MishiSings wrote:I'd like to start by saying that I've been mostly enjoying this game so far. I discovered it only a few days ago, and despite its flaws I hope it gets greenlit on steam so I can throw money at it. I can tell it's a labor of love and everyone involved did a great job.
But I just played Damien's good end, and I'm upset.
Specifically, I'm disturbed by the fact that taking Diana's deal leads to Damien's good end. This is NOT a decision Mika should ever have presumed to make for Damien, especially when he was asleep and didn't know anything of what was going on, and ESPECIALLY once Diana offers to wipe Damien's memory of the incident. And not only does Mika agree to this, but she lies to Damien for years about it?
It's good that Mika does acknowledge that this was a despicable thing to do, and I'm not saying Damien shouldn't forgive her for it, that's his business. But having to make that choice to get the 'good end' left a sour taste in my mouth. Especially since, right before playing the game for the first time, I read this recent post:
Yes, the kisses and steamy makeouts and sex scenes are all properly warned and gated by little opt-out posts, and that's great. But what about Damien? Sure, Diana doesn't actually go through with the sex, but the player was still encouraged to make this decision about him, about his body, without his consent. If I was in his shoes, I'd feel pretty damn violated and upset, no matter how good Mika's intentions were.VAPMichaelaLaws wrote:
The reason I added this feature is to once again empower the belief of consent. I am a VERY firm believer that sex should be agreed to whole-heartedly and I did not want to simple throw sex at the players as a requirement for the best endings. My mind literally went, “If this was a realistic situation (LOL realistic… yup…) and if they are not comfortable with having sex with the demon boys, it should not be required…” So, it simply isn’t required at all. It’s optional with no backlash.
I had MANY many many many internal conversations about this scene knowing that this would be brought up, but quite frankly, Damien's character demanded his humanity for true happiness and Diana was not willing to give it without a MAJOR cost.
Damien has placed 100% that he wants to be human. The only thing he will not give up is his brothers. If Diana asked him for sex, he would say yes, but that would hurt the player. What would Damien say? "I'd have sex with your greatest rival to be human"? That would tear Mika apart and that was not something Damien could do. Also, Diana is not heartless enough to ask him with Mika around since it's both an intimate subject between them and Damien would say no instantly for Mika's sake.
However, without his humanity, he would not be TRULY happy.
I had to put the choice in the player's hands and, as dirty as the choice is, the player needed to give her blessing for Damien. It may not have been vocalized, but Damien would have been and IS okay with doing the deed with Diana in order to gain his humanity. The only thing that kept him from saying yes in the first place was his brothers.
However, now that the game is out and reading through it, I would be torn between leaving it or getting Mika to rouse Damien from slumber to talk to him about the deal. Again, it would KILL Mika on the inside to hear that the man she was with would fuck for humanity, so I would again be conflicted.
There was no good way to do that scene, so I'll stick with my guns on what I wrote. I apologize if it makes anyone who plays it uncomfortable, but that's the scene I wrote.
Damien has placed 100% that he wants to be human. The only thing he will not give up is his brothers. If Diana asked him for sex, he would say yes, but that would hurt the player. What would Damien say? "I'd have sex with your greatest rival to be human"? That would tear Mika apart and that was not something Damien could do. Also, Diana is not heartless enough to ask him with Mika around since it's both an intimate subject between them and Damien would say no instantly for Mika's sake.
However, without his humanity, he would not be TRULY happy.
I had to put the choice in the player's hands and, as dirty as the choice is, the player needed to give her blessing for Damien. It may not have been vocalized, but Damien would have been and IS okay with doing the deed with Diana in order to gain his humanity. The only thing that kept him from saying yes in the first place was his brothers.
However, now that the game is out and reading through it, I would be torn between leaving it or getting Mika to rouse Damien from slumber to talk to him about the deal. Again, it would KILL Mika on the inside to hear that the man she was with would fuck for humanity, so I would again be conflicted.
There was no good way to do that scene, so I'll stick with my guns on what I wrote. I apologize if it makes anyone who plays it uncomfortable, but that's the scene I wrote.