Yearning: A Gay Story [BxB][School/Slice of Life][18+]

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Re: Yearning: A Gay Story [BxB][School/Slice of Life][18+]

#31 Post by bobconway » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:22 am

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So cute! :D A shame there's no shirtless version, but I can wait...
Ask and ye shall receive. I think you're horrified Jake, though. :oops:
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I also note that you've been starting work on a sequel; do you have any early news, or are you looking for suggestions?
(If the latter, I'd quite like to see a full Elliot romance, or at least an ending happier than "slowly recovering", if it's possible, of course...)
The sequel (ZAGS, of course) has you play as Juan through the second semester of MC's (Chris') freshman year, and is going to be a significantly more traditional stat-based dating sim.
Through writing YAGS, Juan ended up becoming the most interesting character to me, maybe because his storyline is in a lot of ways the opposite of his outward-facing character. So along the lines of the fics I'm writing now, I wanted to revisit some key scenes from YAGS with him, and then jump off from there to see how he handles coming out and dating and everything.
We'll see how it turns out, and I will never turn down suggestions, even if they end up not working with the game.
It's also worth noting that I'm normally really bad at following up on personal projects, so the fact that I've both already commissioned (and received) some backgrounds for it, and started talking about it a bit is more for personal motivation to continue the project, than anything else.
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:41 am
This is looking really fantastic.

I love the approach you took to the game, in terms of sketching it out and just working on assets as you can. Art is almost always the biggest time sink, and you have such a mature approach to the way you're handling your development.
Thank you!

I have to note though that the development process for this game has been extremely non-standard because this didn't start out as a game I wanted to release? I had almost all of the first cut of the game written before I even started talking to artists, and the game itself (writing-wise) has been done (and fully playable) for something like 4 months now. I've just been making tweaks since then.

So, given that I have no ability to draw and such, I'm just looking for ways to occupy myself as additional game assets trickle in.

(Working on a direct sequel next was a way to both reuse these assets, so I won't be blocked on them again for the finished game, and also to revisit these characters again, because I've kind of grown to love writing them.)
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Re: Yearning: A Gay Story [BxB][School/Slice of Life][18+]

#32 Post by ParrotWatcher » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:14 pm

bobconway wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:22 am
Ask and ye shall receive. I think you're horrified Jake, though. :oops:
Sorry Jake... :lol: Not really... :twisted:
bobconway wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:22 am
The sequel (ZAGS, of course) has you play as Juan through the second semester of MC's (Chris') freshman year, and is going to be a significantly more traditional stat-based dating sim.
Through writing YAGS, Juan ended up becoming the most interesting character to me, maybe because his storyline is in a lot of ways the opposite of his outward-facing character. So along the lines of the fics I'm writing now, I wanted to revisit some key scenes from YAGS with him, and then jump off from there to see how he handles coming out and dating and everything.
We'll see how it turns out, and I will never turn down suggestions, even if they end up not working with the game.
So, if it's Juan, an Elliot route would make even more sense! :D I mean, I know he was back at home by then in the YAGS epilogue, but as one of the most interesting characters in the story, I feel it's very sad that he doesn't get any kind of "happily ever after", especially since it was due to homophobia... :(

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Re: Yearning: A Gay Story [BxB][School/Slice of Life][18+]

#33 Post by Nalassa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:05 pm

I could second a
Juan/Elliott path in ZAGS. I like Juan despite that one moment in his romance, and potential conflict with his family (like in his romance) definitely offers a good ground for future plotlines.
Currently i'm waiting for your Dan sprites so I can replay the Dan route when implemented - i'm trying to do them when done so I can enjoy the changes over time. :D

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Re: Yearning: A Gay Story [BxB][School/Slice of Life][18+]

#34 Post by bobconway » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:53 pm

ParrotWatcher wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:14 pm
So, if it's Juan, an Elliot route would make even more sense! :D I mean, I know he was back at home by then in the YAGS epilogue, but as one of the most interesting characters in the story, I feel it's very sad that he doesn't get any kind of "happily ever after", especially since it was due to homophobia... :(
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I could second a
Juan/Elliott path in ZAGS. I like Juan despite that one moment in his romance, and potential conflict with his family (like in his romance) definitely offers a good ground for future plotlines.
I hear you, but I also feel like there has to be *some* kind of lasting effect from those events. I feel like
Juan was traumatized enough by that event, particularly in the storyline where you're not dating him where his anguish led to him coming out, that losing Elliot has a large effect on how he deals with both his sexuality and potential relationships with others. Having Elliot return would be nice, sure, but it also feels somehow too convenient?

I do want to include Elliot in some way, but I was thinking more along the lines of Janet-style messaging.
We'll see. :)

Really, I kind of like that there's no "happily ever after" there, and find myself strangely reluctant to revise that.

There's also the point where I'm actively trying to be better at diversity in ZAGS. I didn't really pay it any mind in YAGS, so I want to make sure there's a good representation of different people in the ZAGS dating pool.
I don't want the branching to spiral out of control (like I felt like it did at times with YAGS), so there's already some inherent limitation on how many dateable guys there are
and James and Nate already fill the "white dudes" quota, plus there's Dan
.

I don't know. We'll see. :) Your thoughts have been noted, and I will simmer on them for a while.
Nalassa wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:05 pm
Currently i'm waiting for your Dan sprites so I can replay the Dan route when implemented - i'm trying to do them when done so I can enjoy the changes over time. :D
My artist estimates mid-March for that, and if Nanoreno isn't consuming my life, I'll try to push a new build as soon as possible after I get them.
But sprite dates have been slipping a lot recently due to his webcomic, so don't bet on that.


Also, just to say it here as well: Thank you for both (and everyone else) for your comments and thoughts. There are few things as wonderful as hearing from people that enjoy something you've made.
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#35 Post by ParrotWatcher » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:06 pm

bobconway wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:53 pm
I hear you, but I also feel like there has to be *some* kind of lasting effect from those events. I feel like
Juan was traumatized enough by that event, particularly in the storyline where you're not dating him where his anguish led to him coming out, that losing Elliot has a large effect on how he deals with both his sexuality and potential relationships with others. Having Elliot return would be nice, sure, but it also feels somehow too convenient?

I do want to include Elliot in some way, but I was thinking more along the lines of Janet-style messaging.
We'll see. :)

Really, I kind of like that there's no "happily ever after" there, and find myself strangely reluctant to revise that.
I don't know. The way I see it, if there's no "happily ever after", it means Robert won.

Maybe you could have him as a secret route, like with Adam in YAGS, where it's rather more difficult, but not impossible.
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:53 pm
There's also the point where I'm actively trying to be better at diversity in ZAGS. I didn't really pay it any mind in YAGS, so I want to make sure there's a good representation of different people in the ZAGS dating pool.
I don't want the branching to spiral out of control (like I felt like it did at times with YAGS), so there's already some inherent limitation on how many dateable guys there are
and James and Nate already fill the "white dudes" quota, plus there's Dan
.
Well, if I recall, neither
Nate nor Elliot
have official sprites yet, so who's to say that they're "white dudes"?

EDIT:
And do we really need all of them? I like James, but he could easily be replaced by someone else. (If I recall, Dan and Nate have had a foursome with Juan, so they do make more sense...) Actually, what were you planning on doing with Chris, or is that a spoiler?

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#36 Post by ypressgames » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:12 am

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Re: Yearning: A Gay Story [BxB][School/Slice of Life][18+]

#37 Post by bobconway » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:22 pm

ParrotWatcher wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:06 pm
I don't know. The way I see it, if there's no "happily ever after", it means Robert won.
I can understand that viewpoint, but I still don't think I agree with it? It feels like it cheapens the entire series of events somehow if everything goes back to normal in the end, and they can just pick up where they left off.

We'll see if I feel like I can work it in somehow once I start more serious planning (such as a secret route, like you suggested), but I really feel strange doing it.
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Well, if I recall, neither
Nate nor Elliot
have official sprites yet, so who's to say that they're "white dudes"?
I did a race swap much earlier on with Nik, but that was early enough in the process (before the entire game was written and I was more into the writing process) that it felt like it didn't matter.

I have concerns with
swapping Elliot since having Robert beat up, for example, a black guy is probably not a good idea, and draws racism into the equation where that absolutely shouldn't be part of the motivation
, but I could look at what I can do with Nate. But I don't think that really solves the issue anyway
if you want an Elliot route
, and I'm also reluctant to make changes like this to the game at this point, when I'm really trying to put it to rest and start on the next thing.

(Yes, that's kind of a cop-out.)
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:06 pm
And do we really need all of them? I like James, but he could easily be replaced by someone else. (If I recall, Dan and Nate have had a foursome with Juan, so they do make more sense...) Actually, what were you planning on doing with Chris, or is that a spoiler?
Everything is subject to (and likely will) change, but I'll note that
James and Nate are the only two potentially dateable white guys, and Nate likely only as part of a duo with Jake; James I'm honestly still unsure about, because I don't think he and Juan have personalities that would mesh, even if Juan has a serious crush on him :P. So maybe this is all moot anyway
.

At the same time I don't want to add too many new characters, since part of the reason for making a sequel is to limit the number of new assets I'll need to commission (and subsequently wait on).

As much as I appreciate this discussion, can we table this for now or move this to PMs? I still want to hear your thoughts and suggestions, of course, but I'm wary of derailing this thread with a bunch of theoreticals about a separate game. :)
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Looks great! Good luck with this.
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Re: Yearning: A Gay Story [BxB][School/Slice of Life][18+]

#38 Post by bobconway » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:37 pm

Annnnd we have a new build! My sprite artist kind of crunched the past couple of days to get me a finished Dan sprite, and so there's a new build with both him and Jake.
They're looking pretty good!
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The original post has also been updated with some new screenshots. You can grab a copy of the new build at the usual place.

Next up: Juan sprites. Also I hope to get music for the game in the next month or two, which will allow me to stage music.

Things are coming together!

Overall asset progress:
Sprites: 29% (4/14 finished)
Backgrounds: 84% (16/19 finished)
Music: 8% (1/12 finished)
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