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AOPII [Short / Slice of Life / Mental Health] [BETA]

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:34 am
by Mikomi
AOPII is now looking for beta testers!

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/pl4r089zzh4gv ... l.zip?dl=0
*Update 1/21: New scenes added as well as wording issues fixed!
*Update 1/22: Fixed some errors!
*Update 1/24: Added a new scene!
What is AOPII?
✩ Questions ✩
✩ Which character(s) could be improved on, story/background wise?
✩ Is their mental illnesses discussed clearly enough?
✩ What scenes need to be expanded upon?
✩ Did you like it?

Of course, please tell me if there are any spelling, grammar, etc. errors! I'd like all feedback to be given by the end of the weekend ♥

Re: AOPII [Short / Slice of Life / Mental Health] [BETA]

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:30 am
by 78909087
I suppose I should be the one to tell you that you forgot a jump label, after making the credits appear after the start label.
You need to fix this and re-upload.
I could only fix it myself because I had an idea that the code was there from the time it took to download.

Re: AOPII [Short / Slice of Life / Mental Health] [BETA]

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:08 pm
by Mikomi
78909087 wrote:I suppose I should be the one to tell you that you forgot a jump label, after making the credits appear after the start label.
You need to fix this and re-upload.
I could only fix it myself because I had an idea that the code was there from the time it took to download.
Whoops, wrong build! ^^; I've changed the link so it should be the right one.

Re: AOPII [Short / Slice of Life / Mental Health] [BETA]

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:56 am
by VocaloidsRCool
This is really nice!
I know a little about panic attacks, but, since I have depression, I can relate more to Nova; like not wanting to go to school, and thinking she doesn't matter. I feel like her seeking stars for comfort is like me using the internet to make me feel better. And her relationship with Orion is really cute. I feel like they can relate to each other.
I enjoyed playing this game, you did a really good job on it~

Re: AOPII [Short / Slice of Life / Mental Health] [BETA]

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:13 pm
by Mikomi
VocaloidsRCool wrote:This is really nice!
I know a little about panic attacks, but, since I have depression, I can relate more to Nova; like not wanting to go to school, and thinking she doesn't matter. I feel like her seeking stars for comfort is like me using the internet to make me feel better. And her relationship with Orion is really cute. I feel like they can relate to each other.
I enjoyed playing this game, you did a really good job on it~
Thank you so much!

Re: AOPII [Short / Slice of Life / Mental Health] [BETA]

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:19 pm
by Windchimes
Have to say, the "Mental Health" tag caught my eye so I'm giving this a try. I'm writing thoughts down as I read, so I'm not done yet as of now, so some comments may not be relevant by the end of the story. I'll try to remember to delete those xD

General comments/errors I spotted(?):
a) Idk if it's just my computer's problem or something, but at certain points the dialogue jumps so fast to the next one that I literally can't read it. Normally you should click for the dialogue to advance so I'm assuming you coded that on purpose to imitate the effect of a person's sentence being cut off, but I literally haven't read half of the sentence before it jumps so it is slightly annoying. xD
b) Probably not really an error, but...currently by this scene (when Aurine didn't show up to school the next day after they first met), you've said that "Aurine doesn't go to school much, only a few days a week" like...3 times by now, if I remember correctly. First time was when Aurine showed up wanting their seat back, the next is at lunch, and then in this scene. It just felt really repetitive and even strange when Orion was asking where Aurine is because I was literally just like "...don't you know this already?"
c) I'm at the finished worksheet too early scene, and Orion's like "well I haven't told you much about myself yet", but I -swear- I've heard him say the exact same thing regarding his transfer here (just slightly more brief) the first time they had lunch together, no? It feels weird when you say "I didn't tell you anything about myself" then start right off the bat with something I've already told you about myself.
d) At the point where Nova says "Always working things out on the board", I'm seeing two Nova sprites on screen xD
e) Panic attack in the nurse office scene: Orion said "I guess I just panicked too much about my second day of school" Is it second day of school? I thought in the previous lunch scene, they already said something about a third day. And if I remember correctly, first day they met, second day Aurine showed up, third day Aurine DIDN'T show up, so I'm guessing this should be ~4th day?
f) Typo at the scene where Orion confesses he has a panic disorder "They tell you to just calm down and not get stressed out". There's an extra t in "stressed"
g) Either I remembered wrong, or I could have sworn Nova already talked about AOPII when she first ran into Orion at the park and talked about having that to look forward to during the divorce, and how she's excited it'll come around soon? In this scene, she's telling Orion about it again and Orion sounds like he's never heard it before, so I'm a little confused.

✩ Which character(s) could be improved on, story/background wise?
Aurine, maybe. I feel like not much is known about their personality/background other than that they share some similarities with Nova in terms of divorced parents, needing a constant...and apparently they skip school and doesn't care about school. And the use of the pronoun "they" got me really curious...I might have missed a bit because of wrong choices but was this ever explained? I'm assuming it has some significance, so I was really interested and curious about Aurine.


✩ Is their mental illnesses discussed clearly enough?
I think so! Nova's depression was depicted clearly, but I think a bit more on Orion's panic disorder is better. So far there was just that one scene where he had a panic attack, and after that it was more about him being obsessed with school than his panic/stress/anxiety. As for Aurine...I'm assuming she also has some problems too? But maybe I'm dense, but I can't really tell what.


✩ What scenes need to be expanded upon?
Some scenes feel really short and abrupt. E.g. the scenes where she takes Comet to the park is cute, but nothing happens except her taking Comet there, a few lines of mental thought, then heading back home.
Some scenes where there's tension between Nova and Orion also feels rushed. E.g. the one at lunch where he's like "you don't have to talk to me if you don't want to", it felt really abrupt.
Orion's therapy sessions are also a little rushed. I get that you're keeping it short but it went from the therapist saying "Tell me everything, big or small that happened", Orion talked about the argument, the therapist lectured him on how school isn't important to everyone, then moved on immediately to a different topic instead of discussing it, or discussing other things about his day like the therapist herself asked. That's not an accurate portrayal of a therapy session, and it's also...strange, if that makes sense xD


✩ Did you like it?
Yesss I did. I wish it were longer though, because the story is good and I'd love to see more! It's a very nice concept, and I have a soft spot for VNs that try to be realistic and portray difficult themes like mental illnesses accurately. The art was really nice <3 I like the theme of stars throughout the story. I'm just mainly glad that the theme of mental illnesses was taken seriously and it isn't like some stories where at the end everything is magically healed and fine just because of getting a new friend/relationship.

Re: AOPII [Short / Slice of Life / Mental Health] [BETA]

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:01 am
by Mikomi
Windchimes wrote:Have to say, the "Mental Health" tag caught my eye so I'm giving this a try. I'm writing thoughts down as I read, so I'm not done yet as of now, so some comments may not be relevant by the end of the story. I'll try to remember to delete those xD

✩ Which character(s) could be improved on, story/background wise?
Aurine, maybe. I feel like not much is known about their personality/background other than that they share some similarities with Nova in terms of divorced parents, needing a constant...and apparently they skip school and doesn't care about school. And the use of the pronoun "they" got me really curious...I might have missed a bit because of wrong choices but was this ever explained? I'm assuming it has some significance, so I was really interested and curious about Aurine.


✩ Is their mental illnesses discussed clearly enough?
I think so! Nova's depression was depicted clearly, but I think a bit more on Orion's panic disorder is better. So far there was just that one scene where he had a panic attack, and after that it was more about him being obsessed with school than his panic/stress/anxiety. As for Aurine...I'm assuming she also has some problems too? But maybe I'm dense, but I can't really tell what.


✩ What scenes need to be expanded upon?
Some scenes feel really short and abrupt. E.g. the scenes where she takes Comet to the park is cute, but nothing happens except her taking Comet there, a few lines of mental thought, then heading back home.
Some scenes where there's tension between Nova and Orion also feels rushed. E.g. the one at lunch where he's like "you don't have to talk to me if you don't want to", it felt really abrupt.
Orion's therapy sessions are also a little rushed. I get that you're keeping it short but it went from the therapist saying "Tell me everything, big or small that happened", Orion talked about the argument, the therapist lectured him on how school isn't important to everyone, then moved on immediately to a different topic instead of discussing it, or discussing other things about his day like the therapist herself asked. That's not an accurate portrayal of a therapy session, and it's also...strange, if that makes sense xD


✩ Did you like it?
Yesss I did. I wish it were longer though, because the story is good and I'd love to see more! It's a very nice concept, and I have a soft spot for VNs that try to be realistic and portray difficult themes like mental illnesses accurately. The art was really nice <3 I like the theme of stars throughout the story. I'm just mainly glad that the theme of mental illnesses was taken seriously and it isn't like some stories where at the end everything is magically healed and fine just because of getting a new friend/relationship.
Okay, let's see if I can answer some of your answers now! xD (I'll just put this all in spoilers, to be safe)
A) That's me using the {nw} tag, to try and show a character interrupting the character that was talking. My text speed is pretty fast, so I should probably change the text speed in areas I use no wait ^^'
B)-E) A looot of that is me jumping around and adding extra scenes and stuff, thus forgetting what happened when. Originally, it only took place over about 5 days, which is why some of the scenes make references to previous scenes happening a lot sooner than they happened. It happens especially with Aurine, since I had most of it written out and then I was advised to add another character, which is where Aurine came in.

Speaking of Aurine... I was at a middle ground with them. Aurine's design has always been that they were non-binary (i.e. the they/their pronouns), but I didn't think I could bring it up in the game without people thinking that that's their mental problem. So, instead, Aurine doesn't have any mental problems, and goes by they/them without ever being said why.

I should probably go back and add more about Orion! The main reason I didn't was because I know more about depression and (at least what I know of) depression has more side affects, so I was able to show a more broad spectrum of what happens to Nova but not to Orion. I'll do some more research and see what I can add in.

Comet being taken to the park- again, another scene I quickly added in. Actually, probably one of the most rushed scenes, as it was added in only after I realized "hey, it's been over 5 days and they've been going to school each day. They have to have a weekend somewhere." That's definitely a scene I need to improve on- maybe I could switch the POV to Orion and show more of his health problems?

The therapy sessions are short and always end in weird places because I wanted to show that they continue on after the fade. I couldn't linger on them too much since I didn't have a background, which I didn't make because the therapy sessions weren't meant to be long, or at least the parts that are shown of them.

Thank you! I really didn't want it to be a story of "oh she's magically cured and now she can live a happy life forever" because that's not how it works. If I was going to take the time to show it as realistically as someone's who's never experienced it could, then I would have to take the time to make the ending happy but also still aware that it doesn't just go away.
I'm really happy you liked it!