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Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:01 am
by Emiya24
Does anyone have resources or experience writing about different nobility ranking system
i know mostly about the standard european nobility ranks (Emperor > King > Prince/Princess > Duke > Marquees)
but im not so familiar with the sultan or asian dynasty types of nobility systems
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:26 am
by 78909087
Japan was similar to European nobility/ranking.
Back when you fought for land, it went from daimyo, kuge, samurai, to heimin.
(Roughly 'feudal lords' (land owners), 'aristocrats', 'soldiers', 'commoners'.)
But then after the Meiji restoration, and the erection of the kazoku (similar to a royal government in that it was hereditary rule) the daimyo was merged with the kuge, to become a 'higher power' for the lower class, which was 'shizoku' and 'heimin'. (Shizoku being 'former samurai')
This way, the kazoku ruled over anyone not 'crowned'.
The ranking of the 'royalty' at this time were koshaku, koshaku (both written with different kanji), hakushaku, shishaku, and danshaku.
A rough comparison would be Prince/Duke, Marqis, Count/Earl, Viscount, Baron...
This ended after World War 2, in which the US reformed Japan.
So roughly- in my opinion, Japan and Europe progressed pretty damn similarly despite cultural differences.
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:00 am
by Emiya24
OH so still similar functions
now only the sultanate is left
anyone with intensive knowledge will be appreciated xDD
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:18 pm
by psy_wombats
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:22 pm
by Emiya24
Oh thanks i didnt know what to search for (didnt know what they were called so searched random stuff without yielding results) thanks for the links
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:31 pm
by firecat
every country even in today's era, its always been like this:
God
divine being
main leader
sub-leader
high class power
military
leader of area
mayor of area
rich class
middle class
poor class
dead
every country will have this, everywhere you look its always the same thing.
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:27 pm
by greenjelly
Many cultures equate their leaders with divine beings-- if not godly themselves, then at least given the godly gift to lead. There is a huge religious component to most traditional class structures that could be worth exploring as well.
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:50 pm
by Green Glasses Girl
Here's are some good lists along as well as brief explanations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch#T ... ern_Europe
Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:18 am
by Taleweaver
78909087 wrote:Japan was similar to European nobility/ranking.
Back when you fought for land, it went from daimyo, kuge, samurai, to heimin.
(Roughly 'feudal lords' (land owners), 'aristocrats', 'soldiers', 'commoners'.)
Don't forget the
hinin - the "non-people", also called
burakumin or, in a derogatory way,
eta - a pariah-caste even heimin could look down on. They were the ones who did the work associated with death and blood - gravediggers, butchers, stuff so dirty even farmers wouldn't do them.