Fate/Stay Night the...coffee shop!?

[Voight-Kampff]

http://kotaku.com/5855521/this-coffee-s ... /gallery/1

Wow. That's...a lot of FSN material shoved into a coffee shop alright.

I'm constantly amazed with the level of success/fandom that Type-Moon receives for its VNs. It gives me hope that there's a lot of people out there who are interested in complex, well-developed stories in their VNs, rather than, ahem, shall we say more trite and shallow attributes?

[Desu_Cake]

Please excuse me I have a coffee shop to rob.

[LVUER]

Hmmm... I want to spend some time there. Too bad there's no anything like that here... after all, anime is not very popular in my country.

[Omnificent]

Please excuse me I have a coffee shop to rob.

Rock-paper-scissors to see who gets Excalibur, Avalon and Kiritsugu's guns.

[Desu_Cake]

Please excuse me I have a coffee shop to rob.

Rock-paper-scissors to see who gets Excalibur, Avalon and Kiritsugu's guns.

Split the difference? I get Excalibur, you get Avalon and we take a gun each.

[Riviera]

I just want Rin's jewelled dagger. I wonder if they have that there? Probably not.

[TsukiShima]

Some thing like this is already consider 'normal' for Japan, right now I'm really aiming for Madoka's and FSN's cafe. Though after this I'll try to hunt down for more Gilgamesh and Archer.

Just give me Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon, and I'll have everything.

[Meatpie]

It gives me hope that there's a lot of people out there who are interested in complex, well-developed stories in their VNs, rather than, ahem, shall we say more trite and shallow attributes?

complex, well-developed stories in their VNs

Ahem?
The main character of Fate/Stay Night is a high school student with a traumatizing past, and he has a latent special ability.
Que him becoming embroiled in a certain occurrence he himself had no knowledge of.
The entirety of the female cast falls in love with him, despite him being, quite possibly, the second densest substance on earth.

I fail to see the complexity. Or well developed-ness for that matter.

You were pulling my leg right?

[Voight-Kampff]

Ahem?
The main character of Fate/Stay Night is a high school student with a traumatizing past, and he has a latent special ability.
Que him becoming embroiled in a certain occurrence he himself had no knowledge of.
The entirety of the female cast falls in love with him, despite him being, quite possibly, the second densest substance on earth.

I fail to see the complexity. Or well developed-ness for that matter.

Okay. You've pointed out why Shirou is a poor character. This negates the complexity of the story somehow?

[Crusher]

Aw come on, I wouldn't call the story that complex either. It has a rich universe that I liked as well, but there's not much complexity about it. Even Tsukihime was more complex storywise in my opinion. Not that this is necessarily something to complain about, but there definitely are some poor decisions and apart from the unlimited bladeworks plot I wasn't very thrilled either. Or perhaps we just have a different understanding of the word 'complex' - because to me even a story with 1000 things happening doesn't have to be complex, it's more how those things are connected.
Looks very nice though!

[Voight-Kampff]

Aw come on, I wouldn't call the story that complex either. It has a rich universe that I liked as well, but there's not much complexity about it. Even Tsukihime was more complex storywise in my opinion. Not that this is necessarily something to complain about, but there definitely are some poor decisions and apart from the unlimited bladeworks plot I wasn't very thrilled either. Or perhaps we just have a different understanding of the word 'complex' - because to me even a story with 1000 things happening doesn't have to be complex, it's more how those things are connected.
Looks very nice though!

Complexity is a relative term.

Is FSN comparable to classic literary icons like the Iliad, or 1984? Of course not.

But when compared to the likes of Shuffle, which has an overarching plot of, "Meet a girl, flirt, get in her pants, experience a minor conflict, solve conflict by getting in her pants again. The End.", then I hold FSN to a much higher standard for visual novels.

[Riviera]

Nasu's work in general seems almost more about world-building than the plotline at times.

However, that, in my opinion, is one of the unique and great parts of it. You get such a sense of a world going on around your character, and the plotlines themselves are not bad at all either!

Nasu handles some pretty twisted stuff in a... I don't know if the word I'm looking for is effective or impacting way, but it is definitely memorable.

I'm a horror fan and the Heaven's Feel route still managed to mess with my head a bit.

The protagonists are decent, but I think it's the other characters that really shine.

[Omnificent]

While the world-building is amazing, I also love the characters. How Saber and Shirou develop across the routes is great (and Ilya and Kotomine, in HF). There are very few characters with no sympathetic development.

I'm also partial to the great shows of badassery, particularly from Lancer and Archer.

Speaking of Nasuverse, Fate/Zero. Anyone else following it this season?

[HikkiPanda]

I haven't play the VN but I did watch the anime ... . I don't like it at all but I forced myself to finish it because of the hype ... . in the end, let's just say that it's not my taste at all ^^; ... but FSN did has one cool moment though, I'm really surprised and amazed when it's revealed that the teacher is the one who do the fighting while his servant (caster) act as a support.

Speaking of Nasuverse, Fate/Zero. Anyone else following it this season?

Yeah, it's totally awesome in every level lol! So far my most favorite pairs are Iskandar/Waver, I never bored watching their random banter XD. In the second place is Arturia/Iri, they look so good together ^^.

The other pairs are also amazing though, I can't find any annoying character in F/Z. Together with Mirai Nikki, F/Z is definitely my favorite anime this season

[Omnificent]

Yeah, those two are basically my bread and butter this season.

Fate/extra is also supposed to be pretty good. I haven't played it myself, but from what videos I've seen on Youtube Saber and Caster are both awesome.