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Legality of using character

#1 Post by Escaflowne » Tue May 14, 2013 9:55 am

So,here I am a beginner on VN maker :3
I'm still confused with a few or maybe many things about VN,since I'am really beginner to this thing!
Okay,so here are my question :
1)Is it legal to use a character from an anime/manga while we add our own characters?I write a doujin also fanfic FYI but I'm still not sure about doing it on VN though :shock:
2)Is it legal to use an artist song?
3)What is GUI,Sprites,and other things that I need to know to make a good VN?
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#2 Post by Anima » Tue May 14, 2013 10:21 am

This depends on your jurisdiction and I'm not a lawyer. This is no legal advice, just what I know about copyright laws. If you want to be sure get an appointment at your local lawyer.

1) No it's not. But it's often tolerated. Characters are protected by copyright, even outside of the context of the work.
2) No absolutely not. You can't simply use someone else work in your own VN without permission. While the first point resides in a grey area, where what the law says and what is lived are in conflict, this is clearly criminal.
3) If the license does not permit you to use it, you are not allowed to use it. In that case that no license is specified you are not allowed to use it either. Either draw your own, find someone who draws things for you or use free assets.
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#3 Post by Escaflowne » Tue May 14, 2013 10:35 am

I see,but some people use Vocalo*ids song to their VN right?Is it against the law??
Isn't doujin/fanfic can be called as passing the law too??
I also read about using a character/song is legal as long as we put the respective owner/artist ad doing it for free not for commercial (to be sell) is it true?
Sorry,I may asking too much but I just don't want to go to the cold jail :cry:

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#4 Post by Anima » Tue May 14, 2013 10:49 am

We just had a thread about cover songs.
Fanfic is illegal under most jurisdictions, but the copyrights holders often do not persecute the fanfic authors. Still that does not mean that you can't get a cease and desist for it.
I also read about using a character/song is legal as long as we put the respective owner/artist ad doing it for free not for commercial (to be sell) is it true?
Copyright has not much to do with commercial, it applies equally to both. (There are same exceptions and doing something commercially is definitely a good way to guarantee conflict with the copyright holder.

In short if you didn't make it yourself, didn't have it done for you or don't have permission from the copyright holder you are not allowed to use it.
Usually the worst that will happen if you write a doujin with your own assets is a cease and desist, but there is no guarantee.
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#5 Post by Escaflowne » Tue May 14, 2013 11:09 am

''dōjin soft frequently use characters from existing games, anime, or manga. These unauthorized uses of characters are generally ignored and accepted by the copyright holders''
Is it like that?Because I'm still confused actually

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#6 Post by TrickWithAKnife » Tue May 14, 2013 11:34 am

Escaflowne wrote:I see,but some people use Vocalo*ids song to their VN right?Is it against the law??
Vocaloids are purchased. Within the purchase are the legal rights to use tracks created with the vocaloid software and samples. I'm not sure on the limitations exactly, but they certainly aren't letting people use vocaloids for free.

Unless you can find written confirmation from the creator of any resources that it's okay to use their works in your own projects, then presume that you do not have permissions.

If you are not looking at making a commercial product at the moment, then there are plenty of free resources. They are a great way to get practice, and perhaps in the future you can commission others to create unique art/music, etc in your works.
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#7 Post by Kiki » Tue May 14, 2013 11:42 am

A lot of people will use assets from anime/manga/games/comics ect, but just because they do it and get away with it doesn't make it legal.I don't know much about doujin soft, but I'd be willing to bet that it's less about the creators accepting the games and more that it probably isn't something often brought to their attention. And just because they haven't been caught, doesn't mean you won't.

There is every possibility you could get away with using a character from someone else's work, but there's also that possibility those copy right holders could find out and take legal action. Is that a risk worth taking? Would you have the assets to fight it if it somehow was taken to court (very unlikely that it would, but weirder things have happened)? In general, you use something that isn't your own, you are breaking the law. Just because there is a possibility you can get away with it, doesn't make it right.

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#8 Post by SundownKid » Tue May 14, 2013 1:30 pm

Fanworks are always safe unless you try to profit from them or it becomes extremely popular and threatens to change the public's view of a certain IP. So, it should be safe to release them for free, to a limited audience. If you are trying to sell them, it's a different story entirely. But, people have certainly sold things like fan-music remixes, etc. before.

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#9 Post by Escaflowne » Thu May 16, 2013 4:29 am

I see but that means just can't use this :
1)Adding characters to my dojin soft aka VN dojin (I want to make Code Breakers anyway)
2)Changing the plot
3)Use Vocaloid song that aren't mine to the vn.
Is it like that?Sorry,I'm just too confused because I ask to my friend then he say 'it's okay as long as it's not for the money' and I found that Japanese mangaka/artist usually allow fans to use their work as long as it's not for the mone/confirming that its yours not them.
Because,sometime I found VN use an artist/vocaloid song that aren't theirs and they say it's fine as long as we put the respective artist on it. :shock:
sorry for my too many question,because I don't want to go the jail just because of a VN and misunderstanding.

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#10 Post by SundownKid » Thu May 16, 2013 5:04 am

Basically, unless the creators say that it's okay to create a fan-something, it's technically a violation of copyright. But, as long as you take it down if they send a cease and desist, you won't be arrested or fined with anything. Especially for small works, there is a low chance anyone will notice unless you are trying to sell them for money. However, the lawyers are more aggressive against people who are profiting off of their IP.

I would recommend NOT using anything taken from another work unless it is a 100% fangame. It's just bad form and there are a lot of free assets available. I know that a lot of indie developers have used music, characters, etc. taken from other games, but it decreases the uniqueness of your own game.

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#11 Post by Fox Lee » Tue May 21, 2013 12:44 am

Short Version: It's not legal, but it's usually tolerated

If you use any content from an existing story/game/anime/anything, then your game will be a "derivative work" based on the original. As others have said, the bottom line is that derivative works are NOT legal without permission from the owner of the original work. This applies to stories, images, music, UI elements, sprites, and everything else.

Characters are a niche case; you cannot copyright a character in and of itself, but the work(s) the character comes from are copyrighted. Therefore, it's okay to create a character who is similar to an existing character, either visually or in concept, but you cannot simply copy them from an existing work, or else your work will be considered derivative of the work the character originally came from. A character's image or name can be trademarked though, so be aware of that.

It doesn't matter whether you are making money or not. If legality is what matters to you, then you should not make fan work, ever. There are exceptions for things like parody and education purposes, but those don't apply here; fan art is not the same as parody, no matter what some artists will claim.

However, the person who could stop you from creating/sharing a derivative work is the person or company who owns the rights to the original work. If they tolerate your derivative work, nobody will take legal action against you, which is how fan art and fanfic are generally handled. Except in extreme cases, it's not worth it to prosecute hobbyists over copyright - small copyright holders can't afford to do it anyway, and for big companies the income they might be losing is not enough to be relevant.

In short, if you make a derivative work, there is a high chance that it will be tolerated (or ignored) by the owner of the original work.

However, if the copyright owner does notice your work, or decide that they object to it, they have the right to:
  • ask you to stop sharing the derivative work
  • ask you remove any reference to their copyrighted material from your work
  • take legal action against you, if you refuse to stop using their work
Basically, if you make a derivative work (fan art, fanfic, doujin, douin game - anything!), you must accept that the owner of the original work can stop you from sharing that derivative work, if they want. At any time. Even if you put in lots of your own work too. That's just how fan art works.

Detour because I find it interesting: Trademarks. You cannot copyright things like names or characters, but you can trademark them. A trademark is registered by a business, and they can apply it to elements which are important to their business, products, or image (including things that cannot be copyrighted, like characters, words and shapes). For example, Spiderman cannot be copyrighted, although every work which contains him is. However, his image, logo and name are all trademarked, because they are part of the Spiderman "brand" which Marvel (or whoever) owns. Coke cannot trademark a bottle, but they can trademark the unique shape of their bottles, and stop other companies from designing bottles (or, say, a logo) using that exact shape.

Vocaloids.... I'm not sure about them. I don't know them well enough to know whether they are sold as tools rather than entertainment (though I suspect not). I'm sure they come with their own terms regarding ownership of material produced with them, so you'd best read that carefully, and find out.
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#12 Post by PyTom » Tue May 21, 2013 11:06 am

Actually, I believe that Spider-Man is covered by both copyright and trademark.

While you can't copyright a character directly, you can copyright works that contain the character. (In Spider-Man's case, that's Amazing Fantasy #15.) For a fully realized character, one that's distinctive enough that there's no doubt that the character in your spin-off is Spider-Man, it would be a derivative work of the original work, and hence a violation of copyright.

Marvel also owns a trademark (probably multiple trademarks), which lets them stop people making unauthorized products that use the Spider-Man name and image. This only works so well in practice.

That being said, Fox is basically right - there is a high chance that derivative works will be tolerated or ignored. I believe it's possible to sue directly, but this isn't done, except by a small number of copyright trolls - Prenda Law and its ilk. And those are in the process of being slapped down by various courts.
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#13 Post by o v e n » Thu May 23, 2013 1:30 pm

SundownKid wrote:Fanworks are always safe unless you try to profit from them or it becomes extremely popular and threatens to change the public's view of a certain IP. So, it should be safe to release them for free, to a limited audience. If you are trying to sell them, it's a different story entirely. But, people have certainly sold things like fan-music remixes, etc. before.
I agree with this statement; it is only unsafe if you are seeking to make money, or advertise a product in order to sell it, but fanfiction has largely gone un-persued in courts of law because more often the fanservice is advertisement for the established canon work (and makes the original creators more profit). To be on the safe side, check creative licenses (if they are posted) and always ALWAYS credit the work/character/derivative to its original creator. Like perhaps a 'credits' or 'attributes' page clickable from the main menu?

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#14 Post by papillon » Thu May 23, 2013 3:57 pm

Of course, every now and then the copyright holder will come down hard on free fanworks anyway. Some owners are more protective than others.

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