Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
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Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Does anyone have resources or experience writing about different nobility ranking system
i know mostly about the standard european nobility ranks (Emperor > King > Prince/Princess > Duke > Marquees)
but im not so familiar with the sultan or asian dynasty types of nobility systems
i know mostly about the standard european nobility ranks (Emperor > King > Prince/Princess > Duke > Marquees)
but im not so familiar with the sultan or asian dynasty types of nobility systems
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Japan was similar to European nobility/ranking.
Back when you fought for land, it went from daimyo, kuge, samurai, to heimin.
(Roughly 'feudal lords' (land owners), 'aristocrats', 'soldiers', 'commoners'.)
But then after the Meiji restoration, and the erection of the kazoku (similar to a royal government in that it was hereditary rule) the daimyo was merged with the kuge, to become a 'higher power' for the lower class, which was 'shizoku' and 'heimin'. (Shizoku being 'former samurai')
This way, the kazoku ruled over anyone not 'crowned'.
The ranking of the 'royalty' at this time were koshaku, koshaku (both written with different kanji), hakushaku, shishaku, and danshaku.
A rough comparison would be Prince/Duke, Marqis, Count/Earl, Viscount, Baron...
This ended after World War 2, in which the US reformed Japan.
So roughly- in my opinion, Japan and Europe progressed pretty damn similarly despite cultural differences.
Back when you fought for land, it went from daimyo, kuge, samurai, to heimin.
(Roughly 'feudal lords' (land owners), 'aristocrats', 'soldiers', 'commoners'.)
But then after the Meiji restoration, and the erection of the kazoku (similar to a royal government in that it was hereditary rule) the daimyo was merged with the kuge, to become a 'higher power' for the lower class, which was 'shizoku' and 'heimin'. (Shizoku being 'former samurai')
This way, the kazoku ruled over anyone not 'crowned'.
The ranking of the 'royalty' at this time were koshaku, koshaku (both written with different kanji), hakushaku, shishaku, and danshaku.
A rough comparison would be Prince/Duke, Marqis, Count/Earl, Viscount, Baron...
This ended after World War 2, in which the US reformed Japan.
So roughly- in my opinion, Japan and Europe progressed pretty damn similarly despite cultural differences.
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
OH so still similar functions
now only the sultanate is left
anyone with intensive knowledge will be appreciated xDD
now only the sultanate is left
anyone with intensive knowledge will be appreciated xDD
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
I'm no expert but 'Sultan' is a title in plenty of historical governments. You might try a little research starting from some of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template: ... thern_Asia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_O ... pellations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... pellations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template: ... thern_Asia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_O ... pellations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... pellations
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
psy_wombats wrote:I'm no expert nut 'Sultan' is a title in plenty of historical governments. You might try a little research starting from some of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template: ... thern_Asia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_O ... pellations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... pellations
Oh thanks i didnt know what to search for (didnt know what they were called so searched random stuff without yielding results) thanks for the links
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
every country even in today's era, its always been like this:
God
divine being
main leader
sub-leader
high class power
military
leader of area
mayor of area
rich class
middle class
poor class
dead
every country will have this, everywhere you look its always the same thing.
God
divine being
main leader
sub-leader
high class power
military
leader of area
mayor of area
rich class
middle class
poor class
dead
every country will have this, everywhere you look its always the same thing.
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Many cultures equate their leaders with divine beings-- if not godly themselves, then at least given the godly gift to lead. There is a huge religious component to most traditional class structures that could be worth exploring as well.
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Here's are some good lists along as well as brief explanations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch#T ... ern_Europe
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Re: Nobility Ranking systems in different cultures
Don't forget the hinin - the "non-people", also called burakumin or, in a derogatory way, eta - a pariah-caste even heimin could look down on. They were the ones who did the work associated with death and blood - gravediggers, butchers, stuff so dirty even farmers wouldn't do them.78909087 wrote:Japan was similar to European nobility/ranking.
Back when you fought for land, it went from daimyo, kuge, samurai, to heimin.
(Roughly 'feudal lords' (land owners), 'aristocrats', 'soldiers', 'commoners'.)
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