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How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#1 Post by bluemoonaspect » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:18 pm

I mean, full-blown NSFW scenes, not just thinly veiled and implied NSFW scenes, where they're getting it on and it basically becomes porn in that moment lol. I personally like it because it feels like my hard work's finally paid off, but I realize a lot of people may actually not be into it being that risque.

I'm conflicted over keeping scenes like that in my own otome, but a response in another thread where it was basically "if the story goes on completely fine without the NSFW scene is it really needed" made me nervous haha.

Would it be fine to just have a clean/dirty option when you begin the otome where if you select the clean option it just never has NSFW scenes, but if you select the dirty option, it's fully NSFW?

I have a really funny scene that's NSFW that I'd hate to discard as well, but I basically want validation that it's okay to include it haha

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#2 Post by Selidor » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:26 pm

I think we could do with more 18+ otome games, honestly. NSFW doesn’t just have to be there for the smut (although that’s an important factor too), you can use it to develop the characters and explore their relationships in ways that you can’t do in SFW scenes, and it can be cute, funny, romantic, sad, all sorts of things in addition to the porn.

Adding a toggle is a good compromise to allow people who absolutely won’t play NSFW games to enjoy your game, although depending on how you implement it (just cutting the scenes vs replacing them with a rewritten SFW scene) people may feel something is missing.

If you want your game to be 18+, go for it. I think you’ll find plenty of people willing to play it still.

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#3 Post by bluemoonaspect » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:42 pm

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Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:26 pm
I think we could do with more 18+ otome games, honestly. NSFW doesn’t just have to be there for the smut (although that’s an important factor too), you can use it to develop the characters and explore their relationships in ways that you can’t do in SFW scenes, and it can be cute, funny, romantic, sad, all sorts of things in addition to the porn.

Adding a toggle is a good compromise to allow people who absolutely won’t play NSFW games to enjoy your game, although depending on how you implement it (just cutting the scenes vs replacing them with a rewritten SFW scene) people may feel something is missing.

If you want your game to be 18+, go for it. I think you’ll find plenty of people willing to play it still.
I actually have an NSFW scene that I wanted to write that had some character development in it :D But exploring relationships is also a great point, and it'd give incentive to play through that option instead of the SFW option!

I was totally thinking that actually, about not just ripping out the NSFW scene but rewriting it to a SFW scene. Of course, there are some things I can't rewrite so it would have to replace it entirely, but I totally understand not wanting to miss something.

I haven't played a lot of fully 18+ otome games so I personally would just love to create one myself, and you're really making it hard for me to want to do otherwise now! :D

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#4 Post by Zelan » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:48 pm

Selidor pretty much summed up my thoughts on the topic perfectly. As you mentioned, a fair amount of users here aren't big fans of "mindless smut," but on the flip side of that, there aren't many otomes that contain smut at all, so there might be a group interested in it still. And anyway, there are things you can add to your NSFW scenes that do make them important to the story, and not just tacked-on scenes.

I personally am always in favor of on/off toggles for 18+ material - all it does is broaden your audience, imo. I would probably play both versions, especially if there was different content for the SFW and NSFW versions; while that would be more work, it would probably improve both versions quite a lot.

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#5 Post by Ermytarya » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:56 am

I am ok with nsfw scenes as long as they focus in showing the ikemen naked and they are not rapish. I mean, most of the r18 otome games i have seen, always focus in the naked body of the heroine! But, i don't play those games to see naked women! (I have enough with media shoving me down to my throat sexualized women! when i play otomes i want to see some butiful men!) If i wanted to see naked girls, i can just go and play some yuri game or a galge.

Heck! sometimes the ikemen are even with clothes on while doing it! I think most of the audience of otomes play them because of the guys. (Yeah, i know some bigirls play them but that's not the point.)

And the most important thing of all, do what you want it's your game! Don't try to please everyone, that's imposible!

Good luck with your project!

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#6 Post by bluemoonaspect » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:51 pm

Zelan wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Selidor pretty much summed up my thoughts on the topic perfectly. As you mentioned, a fair amount of users here aren't big fans of "mindless smut," but on the flip side of that, there aren't many otomes that contain smut at all, so there might be a group interested in it still. And anyway, there are things you can add to your NSFW scenes that do make them important to the story, and not just tacked-on scenes.

I personally am always in favor of on/off toggles for 18+ material - all it does is broaden your audience, imo. I would probably play both versions, especially if there was different content for the SFW and NSFW versions; while that would be more work, it would probably improve both versions quite a lot.
I'm glad to know that people would be interested in it then! And I feel like I might have a hard time making content exclusive to either version, unless you mean having content only in the SFW version where the NSFW scene would take place. I can do that at least. But if I do come up with enough ideas, I'd love to try and make more content exclusive to each version. It's just that I'm also making a true harem route, so I feel like that's going to be hard enough on it's own haha
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:56 am
I am ok with nsfw scenes as long as they focus in showing the ikemen naked and they are not rapish. I mean, most of the r18 otome games i have seen, always focus in the naked body of the heroine! But, i don't play those games to see naked women! (I have enough with media shoving me down to my throat sexualized women! when i play otomes i want to see some butiful men!) If i wanted to see naked girls, i can just go and play some yuri game or a galge.

Heck! sometimes the ikemen are even with clothes on while doing it! I think most of the audience of otomes play them because of the guys. (Yeah, i know some bigirls play them but that's not the point.)

And the most important thing of all, do what you want it's your game! Don't try to please everyone, that's imposible!

Good luck with your project!
Ooh, thank you for letting me know your opinion! I personally don't want to focus in on the body of the woman a whole lot either, I'd like this to be about how much I can put myself into the shoes of the heroine, but not make it about her to the point that it feels like I can't immerse myself. Do you have any tips on how I could better accomplish this though, so that I could get someone with your take on it to give me an idea of what better could be done to improve those kinds of scenes?

Oh man, if I'm making this game NSFW I'm full-on going NSFW with it. My artist is already on board with drawing some good ol' fashioned dongers here and there lol

You're right, and thank you :)

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#7 Post by gekiganwing » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:12 pm

The first visual novel that I read was Three Sisters Story, which had explicit sex scenes and boy x girl pairings. Some of them seemed tacked-on, while others seemed relevant to the story. The first visual novel that I thoroughly enjoyed was Kana Little Sister, which also had explicit sex scenes -- and I thought most of them were relevant to the story. This happened between December 2001 and September 2002.

I do not think there were any professionally translated adults-only otome games until Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome was released in September 2017. There have been only a few examples of adults-only otome games written in English. My brothers and sisters, this should not be so.
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I have a really funny scene that's NSFW that I'd hate to discard as well, but I basically want validation that it's okay to include it haha
If you want to include a sex scene, alert your readers and go ahead. If you want to make it skippable, alert your readers and go ahead.

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#8 Post by bluemoonaspect » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:58 am

gekiganwing wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:12 pm
The first visual novel that I read was Three Sisters Story, which had explicit sex scenes and boy x girl pairings. Some of them seemed tacked-on, while others seemed relevant to the story. The first visual novel that I thoroughly enjoyed was Kana Little Sister, which also had explicit sex scenes -- and I thought most of them were relevant to the story. This happened between December 2001 and September 2002.

I do not think there were any professionally translated adults-only otome games until Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome was released in September 2017. There have been only a few examples of adults-only otome games written in English. My brothers and sisters, this should not be so.
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:18 pm
I have a really funny scene that's NSFW that I'd hate to discard as well, but I basically want validation that it's okay to include it haha
If you want to include a sex scene, alert your readers and go ahead. If you want to make it skippable, alert your readers and go ahead.
Thank you! I'll take this into account :D

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#9 Post by Ermytarya » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:46 pm

bluemoonaspect wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:51 pm

Ooh, thank you for letting me know your opinion! I personally don't want to focus in on the body of the woman a whole lot either, I'd like this to be about how much I can put myself into the shoes of the heroine, but not make it about her to the point that it feels like I can't immerse myself. Do you have any tips on how I could better accomplish this though, so that I could get someone with your take on it to give me an idea of what better could be done to improve those kinds of scenes?

Oh man, if I'm making this game NSFW I'm full-on going NSFW with it. My artist is already on board with drawing some good ol' fashioned dongers here and there lol

You're right, and thank you :)
I don't self-insert. So, i don't think i am the best person to ask how to make a self-insert MC. And i don't write smut either so, i don't think i can help you with that.
Just work in what you want! don't take my opinion as too important, i am just one person of a larger audience, i am sure every otome player may have a different opinion in the matter of nsfw otome games.

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Re: How do you feel about NSFW scenes in an otome?

#10 Post by bluemoonaspect » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:10 am

Ermytarya wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:46 pm
bluemoonaspect wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:51 pm

Ooh, thank you for letting me know your opinion! I personally don't want to focus in on the body of the woman a whole lot either, I'd like this to be about how much I can put myself into the shoes of the heroine, but not make it about her to the point that it feels like I can't immerse myself. Do you have any tips on how I could better accomplish this though, so that I could get someone with your take on it to give me an idea of what better could be done to improve those kinds of scenes?

Oh man, if I'm making this game NSFW I'm full-on going NSFW with it. My artist is already on board with drawing some good ol' fashioned dongers here and there lol

You're right, and thank you :)
I don't self-insert. So, i don't think i am the best person to ask how to make a self-insert MC. And i don't write smut either so, i don't think i can help you with that.
Just work in what you want! don't take my opinion as too important, i am just one person of a larger audience, i am sure every otome player may have a different opinion in the matter of nsfw otome games.
Ah, okay! Thank you :D

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