This is a little unusual since I don't normally participate in these kinds of discussions (coughi'mgenerallynotactiveherecough) but yeah!! Here's my two cents on this. And by two cents I mean a long-ass critique from an aspiring med student so I apologize in advance if I come off as a little rude or domineering. I tend to wax poetic when it comes to ~*~*~*the human body*~*~*~
Rinima wrote:(also, can someone tell me what is wrong with her shoulders?)
In your drawing, the torso area right beneath her breasts is just about the same broadness as her shoulders. See, while it's true that, generally speaking, a female's waist would be just as broad as her shoulders, it's a completely different story when it comes to the chest/bust. See the redline (I hope you don't mind that I did that hfkgsjhdfg) I did of your drawing and my own rendition of the female body; the way you drew the rest of her torso from the breasts down doesn't add up to where you put her armpits.
Remember that breasts are, bluntly put, just balls of fat and mammary glands put on top of what is essentially a flat chest. While they contribute to a fuller appearance of the bust area, that doesn't mean that the parts of the torso following thereafter would be of the same broadness as that of the breasts. It should add up with where you placed the armpits instead, like that of a flat, masculine chest.
The reason why this attributes to how weird the shoulders look on her is because it makes her general chest area appear unproportionally broad in contrast to that of her shoulders. While what chocojax said is true in that her shoulders seem to be a little too round and that making it a little more rigid would help, I think that fixing her bust area should also be given attention to.
TL;DR: Make her shoulders just a little broader and more rigid as per chocojax's recommendations and fix her torso so that it would be consistent with where you initially placed her armpits.
chocojax wrote:Rinima wrote:Legs to short, but I think the position is correct?
Drawing in the bones underneath should help out! The way you drew the side of their ribcage is off.
I'm kind of short, but when I try to put myself in the same position, the upper thigh should be shorter than that, actually. Lower leg does look too short, I think.
The position looks all right, kind of awkward though. The back should probably be slightly more exaggerated as a curve, so that the overall pose smooths out a bit better. The foot that's higher up than the other should probably curve a little bit along the lower leg as well, for gestural reasons?
Let me start off for this one by saying tat chocojax has very good advice!
Now, generally speaking, the upper leg should only be as long as the torso, and even when the torso is bent inwards (at realistic limits of the human body) it shouldn't go beyond that of the chin were to it remain pressed to the body. If you flex your head inwards, it should be able to touch the forehead. But only if you were to draw your leg in close enough. The lower leg should be close in length to the upper leg as well.
Though, I'll say here that their left thigh appears to be fine to me, just that her lower leg is still a little too short. Her butt appears a little too full to me as well, but I'll be honest say that I'm not even sure about that and perhaps I'm becoming a little nit-picky.
Here's something I used to help visualize torso-limb proportions when I was starting out. I hope you'd be able to find some use for it too!
TL;DR: What chocojax said.
After going through your thread, I see that you've come a very long way! Keep up the good work. You're improving really fast!
that ended up much longer than expected hskgfhskjfghksjhfgs