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ShiraiJunichi · #46 Post by **ShiraiJunichi** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:36 pm

Seeing as no one else had enough sensitivity to give Alice some clothes, it looks like I'll have to

. I'm really interested in getting everyone's feedback, so tell me what you think. Do you think it's on par to be released with ALICE? I'm not really an artist so...

PyTom >> If its good enough, let me know and I'll e-mail you the project file (.psd). For some reason, I couldn't upload it to the forums... ;_;

During the course of drawing that picture, I thought about a few things...

I think that the head should be separate from the body. Different facial expressions change the shape of the face differently. I suppose you could have an entire copy of the body for every different shape of the head, but that would inflate the size of the program. If the head is separate, it wouldn't take too much more file space to include different jaw positions as well as even 3/4 views. The whole body doesn't need to change to have the head in a 3/4 view- all you might have to change would be the neck.
What about the maximum height of the image? If my assumption that Eclipse's Alice is at the max dimensions, then there is a bit of a limitation on how high her hair (or how tall her hat) can be... I actually had to shrink my Alice's hair a little bit to make it fit.
There needs to be some sort of guideline for facial features, to allow for compatibility between different artists. Otherwise, you may end up being able to place a nose drawn by one artist right on top of a mouth drawn by another artist. I think the best person to designate the guidelines would be the person who submitted the body template. Of course, I think these should just be guidelines, and not absolutes. Still give the artist the freedom to put things where they want, but let them know that their drawings may be incompatible with the drawings of others

Glasskitten · #47 Post by **Glasskitten** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:11 am

WOOHOO, ALICE HAS CLOTHES!!!!! =^@_@^=

It reminds me of how wish I had a tablet, or at least the patience and resources to clean up my poor-quality lineart.

Hurray for Alice, for now she can step outdoors without being arrested!

rioka · #48 Post by **rioka** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:47 am

lol She may have clothes but she's still going commando... ;D :gets bopped on the head by Alice and reprimanded for not getting her undergarments in the first place:

Err... Anyways...

ShiraiJunichi wrote:Seeing as no one else had enough sensitivity to give Alice some clothes, it looks like I'll have to

How considerate of you, Junichi! Alice thanks you numerously.

I like what you've done. Her hair could be better though. (Hey, you asked for it.

) For example, the bigger gaps in her bangs on the left and right hand side makes her look like she's sick with cancer and going bald. I suggest filling the space up with more hair. Also, her hair just stops under her earlobe. It makes her look like she shaved the rest of her hair behind her. More tendrils in that area and she'd look much better, imo. =)

ShiraiJunichi wrote:I think that the head should be separate from the body. ...The whole body doesn't need to change to have the head in a 3/4 view- all you might have to change would be the neck.

That's a interesting thought and it would allow for more versatility.

ShiraiJunichi wrote:What about the maximum height of the image? If my assumption that Eclipse's Alice is at the max dimensions, then there is a bit of a limitation on how high her hair (or how tall her hat) can be... I actually had to shrink my Alice's hair a little bit to make it fit.

How about we make the dimensions an even 1500x4000 (originally 1180x3352)? That'll give us more room for chunky shoes (or similar) and hair and accessories like hats.

ShiraiJunichi wrote:There needs to be some sort of guideline for facial features, to allow for compatibility between different artists. I think the best person to designate the guidelines would be the person who submitted the body template. Of course, I think these should just be guidelines, and not absolutes.

I'll eventually get to that next week. It's just that Alice's clothes comes first so everyone'll have to fend for themselves for now. ^_^

Btw, I'll be making a page for ALICE in renaigames.net soon. If any artist is interested, I'd be willing to link to you if you've designed something using any of my ALICE template(s). =)

ShiraiJunichi · #49 Post by **ShiraiJunichi** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:30 pm

eclipse wrote:I like what you've done. Her hair could be better though. (Hey, you asked for it. ) For example, the bigger gaps in her bangs on the left and right hand side makes her look like she's sick with cancer and going bald. I suggest filling the space up with more hair. Also, her hair just stops under her earlobe. It makes her look like she shaved the rest of her hair behind her. More tendrils in that area and she'd look much better, imo. =)

Thanks for the feed back elipse. Shortly after I uploaded the picture I realized the problems with the hair. I'll try to fix it soon. Though I'm not too sure how to fix the hair near the bottom- it's behind her head so... Anyway, I spent a lot of time designing another set of hair and facial features, but the hair just looks so completely wrong. The ringlets (what I thought woud be problematic) aren't too bad, but the rest just doesn't seem to work out. I'll try and fix that and submit it later tonight along with the revised first set of hair. That is, if it's ok to submit stuff here... I don't see much of a problem with submitting stuff via the forums- perhaps just in a separate thread?

Does anyone know of any anime oekaki tutorials? Especially for eyes. I'd like to be able to give eyes that reflective shine- as they stand right now they look so flat ;_;...

rioka · #50 Post by **rioka** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:49 pm

ShiraiJunichi wrote:Though I'm not too sure how to fix the hair near the bottom- it's behind her head so...

I've attached a pic below on how you can do it. =)

ShiraiJunichi wrote:Does anyone know of any anime oekaki tutorials? Especially for eyes. I'd like to be able to give eyes that reflective shine- as they stand right now they look so flat ;_;...

The main problem with the eyes is that you only used one shade. Normally, there should be three shades. You have blue (#1) but you're missing shade (#2) and highlight (#3). That's what makes eyes have depth. Otherwise, they tend to look pretty flat. I did a rather quicky shade and highlight on her eyes in the file below. Hope that helps.

ShiraiJunichi · #51 Post by **ShiraiJunichi** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:18 pm

I changes I was thinking about are the same you provided, but I wasn't sure it would look right. But it looks good, so thanks ^_^

I swear I gave those eyes a gradient- must be thinking about the second pair of eyes I did. For that second pair of eyes, I used a gradient, and then blurred in a bit of solid color afterward. It looks better... but still fairly flat. 3 colors you say? Where do you place them, and how do you blend them together? With the blur tool, or is there a better method? Perhaps a complex radial gradient... hmm....

rioka · #52 Post by **rioka** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:44 am

Whether I blend them or not, I always put the darker shade near the blacks of the eyes with lighter colors near the bottom half. I've attached a sample of the eyes I did on an earlier image I did. This one, I blended.

I tend not to use gradients on eyes since I have more control just using the opacity and building that way. But hey, whatever works for you. =)

Btw, I found some people interested in making some stuff for ALICE. Someone already made a male body template. (Gotta ask him for a larger version...) Anyways, check out the thread at MangaTutorials.com.

rioka · #53 Post by **rioka** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:32 am

Well, I gave PyTom some stuff for ALICE he can work with. Now it's all in his hands... ^_^

:goes back to working on rest of designs:

Otaku Dash · #54 Post by **Otaku Dash** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:24 am

Looks very good eclipse!

I like Brown/grey related uniforms... I'm not into blue ones.

Mmm.... This may sound odd right now... but dosen't the chin in the ALICE model look... I don't know... a bit too much alongated? (sorry its just and Indication of estetics... I'm used to a diferent style)

ShiraiJunichi · #55 Post by **ShiraiJunichi** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:43 pm

Otaku Dash wrote:Mmm.... This may sound odd right now... but dosen't the chin in the ALICE model look... I don't know... a bit too much alongated? (sorry its just and Indication of estetics... I'm used to a diferent style)

That's kind of how I felt while I was creating my art. That's why I suggested allowing different heads to be used with the same body

rioka · #56 Post by **rioka** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:35 pm

ShiraiJunichi wrote:
Otaku Dash wrote:Mmm.... This may sound odd right now... but dosen't the chin in the ALICE model look... I don't know... a bit too much alongated? (sorry its just and Indication of estetics... I'm used to a diferent style)
That's kind of how I felt while I was creating my art. That's why I suggested allowing different heads to be used with the same body

Yup, it's long and pointy. This is where the different body templates types comes in. Technically, she's more suited to the "realistic" and "adult" style which has the long nose and more curvy figure. The next types will have the "less pointy chin" and "smaller built" attributes, an all-in-all more "bishoujo" look.

mikey · #57 Post by **mikey** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:31 pm

BodyFemale_Alice01a.gif >> I know guys shouldn't say these things as we should compliment the skirt or blouse, but... I love the shoes!

Hmmm, maybe it's a good idea to rename the topic? Funny softwarez is kind of... you know... the thread is hijacked for good anyway ^_^

eclipse wrote:Technically, she's more suited to the "realistic" and "adult" style which has the long nose and more curvy figure.

I actually prefer these, so... it has my support!

rioka · #58 Post by **rioka** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:56 pm

re Otaku Dash>> Thanks! I'll be making other-colored uniforms as well. If folks don't like them, they can always use the HSL feature. =)

re mikey>> Well, technically it's not uncommon for girls to compliment on each others' shoes, so if you were in a dating sim right now, you'd score major points. =D

PyTom was supposed to change the thread name but I guess he hasn't gotten around to it yet. Anywhoo, ALICE pages coming soon at RG.net...

rioka · #59 Post by **rioka** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:21 pm

As mentioned here, I've stepped up finishing designs for ALICE. Below is a preview of what I've sent to PyTom.

It's actually part of the School Uniform set I made but it ended up looking like either a) teacher apparel or b) high-class private school uniform. ^_^

mikey · #60 Post by **mikey** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:08 am

I like it! School uniforms are great, but the more casual outfits the better

My, that skirt is *really* short though...

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