revenge of bishojo

[teankun]

As I understand it (feel free to correct me) an overwheming majority of ren'ai games are BxG (which defines them as bishojo). A majority of these are "18+" with nudity and often graphic sex most often with females on the receiving end and a significant portion of these (hopefully not a majority) are yaruge that can dipict rape and S&M.

One can may develope a stereotype that these games as glamorizing victimizations of women, but are there games that are more or less the other way around, dare I say GxB yaruge. Games with the protaganist is such roles such as: a female teacher who seduces her male students (chiche'ed with recent news), a vicimized woman who decides to take revenge on men, or simply a domiatrix.

Not that I would want to play such games. I am just curious if someone has tried to even out the playing field.

[Misuzu]

I have heard of quite a few doujin games that have done this approach and there is a popular CG set floating around the P2P networks of one game, but I can't remember the title.

As for commercially, there most likely is at least a couple, given the sheer amount of eroge that comes out each year (more then all other video games combined), and the fact that eroge targets just about ever conceivable fetish.

Yaoi though is a much better market choice though as the majortiy of Japanese female games would rather play a Yaoi game then a GxB or a dominating GxB game.

As for actual games that feature women "glamorizing victimizations of women", there definitely is quite a few, theres actually a Japanese terminology for the genre, 'Kichiku' (鬼畜), but the vast majority (over 70%) of the eroge titles that come out a year, are the more consensual sex type games.

[papillon]

I expect there are titles from the male perspective that largely involve the male being dominated and pushed around by a powerful older woman... since men who like being dominated are probably a better target market than women who want to rape.

(Although I know some girls who would be all over futanari rape games. Futa-on-futa, not futa-on-male.)

[teankun]

oh yes I am sure some fangirls would like BxB yaruge.

I am also some guys may like GxG yargure for that matter (again for the sake of exploitation)

[Enerccio]

oh yes I am sure some fangirls would like BxB yaruge.

I am also some guys may like GxG yargure for that matter (again for the sake of exploitation)

yeah yeah GxG RULEZ We need more yuri/lestia games
BxB for me, but i am sure, girls love them

[mikey]

Aw, my eyes

Actually, I'm strangely one of those who doesn't absolutely love GxG - it's okay, but I've never warmed up to it.

As for BxB, what I'm missing is a BxB for guys. I mean BxB for girls is fine and all, but I'm thinking that it's still somewhat girly and it just doesn't feel that natural. A game for gay males would really be something refreshing.

I do really like GxB games, properly romantic ones. As for GxB yaruge, I'm not so sure I want to have my idealistic image of women shattered by a sex-happy female protagonist. I would really be curious though, how the dominating GxB would be - especially the thoughts of the female.

[Misuzu]

Now all we need to do is make someone make a port of Teizokurei Daydream to a visual novel, then we are set with our woman dominatrix and intriguing plotline to go with it =D.

[DaFool]

given the sheer amount of eroge that comes out each year (more then all other video games combined),

You kid not?

One thing I noticed is that the OELVN scene is very un-hentai. Whereas there are plenty of OEL hentai manga out there already. But in the years since this community came to be, not one true hentai game. Maybe its because we subconsciously shy away from the stigma that visual novels = hentai.

Anyway, not to worry, Hardcastle and Cromwell not only feature GxG, but BxG, GxB, cosplay sex, nonviolent rape, and mild S&M. (At the same time, to make it only R-level instead of X/NC-17, I'll need to come up of creative depictions so you know just what exactly is going on without having to draw things that tend to be pixellated by Japanese law) I don't like most Japanese sexual practices anyway.

[DaFool]

The problem with BxG yaruge is that there is no logical reason to victimize the woman. I mean, the person could have been an ex-girlfriend who scorned you, a glamorous woman who looks down on people, a strict teacher, or something like that. Instead, the victim is often a schoolgirl or the sweetest thing imaginable. I don't get it. Rape is an act of violence more than that of lust or passion. You rape someone whom you perceive as a threat, as a subconscious means of declaring your triumph over this threat. It is often an act of revenge for the male -- the same as that for the dominating female.

Now for sex games targeting women, a stroke of genius...men raping each other. Which is somewhat true-to-life (the majority of rape victims are male prison inmates, not your woman in the street).

[mikey]

Instead, the victim is often a schoolgirl or the sweetest thing imaginable. I don't get it. Rape is an act of violence more than that of lust or passion.

Same here, typically the answer is that the men are frustrated and need to feel in control, blah blah, but I don't know. What often just ticks me off is how every single victim kind of "wants is anyway" if she gets abused for a long time - the most brutal acts get sanctioned this way, because the victim was a masochist anyway (but she didn't know it). It's just like having sex with your sister and then naturally finding out that she isn't. All the thrills of rape and incest with none of the moral drawbacks. More often than not, it's simply alibistic and pathetic, just to be able to say "rape" and "taboo" on the back of the box.

[PyTom]

As for BxB, what I'm missing is a BxB for guys. ... A game for gay males would really be something refreshing.

Althought it's explicitly not my thing (I'm a big fan of BxG, although GxG intrigues me as well), there is one game I'm aware of that's guy-intended BxB:

http://www.kurblick.blogspot.com/

[papillon]

>The problem with BxG yaruge is that there is no logical reason to victimize the woman.

Luckily, the games are dumb fantasies, NOT realism. I think realistic rape would be far too creepy.

Although I think at least some of them do start out with a character the malePC wants to get revenge on before he then goes wild and rapes the whole world, no?


Hrm, for a very twisted game concept, I seem to recall the plot of an old hentai manga that involved a weak girl who was constantly getting raped, and each time AFTER the rapists finish with her she suddenly remembers her evil demon powers and slaughters them. I can imagine someone making some kind of action game in which you control the female victim and each indignity she suffers makes her stronger. So each time a tentacle beast attacks her you have to figure out how long to wait before fighting back - too soon and you'll still be too weak, too late and you'll take too much damage and die, and if the player is a pervert e'll want to watch the suffering as long as possible... (Or, to avoid blood, her attackers could be human and she could beat them up and humiliate them rather than kill them. Chain them naked to flagpoles with carrots shoved in sensitive places....)

Um. Sorry. Bored game designer has strange thoughts.

[teankun]

Now all we need to do is make someone make a port of Teizokurei Daydream to a visual novel, then we are set with our woman dominatrix and intriguing plotline to go with it =D.

That anime did pop in my mind when I was making this thread. It's dealing with the supernatural particularly makes it considerable for a VN.

[monele]

nonviolent rape

Uhh... Antinomy? ^^;

Hrm, for a very twisted game concept

Twisted indeed XD... But I see why you're a game designer

[mrsulu]

This conversation got pretty weird.

Why no OEL porn: In general, westerners go for elaborate cheescake (See: Pussycat Dolls, Miss USA pageant, legions of college cheerleaders) but cut-rate pornography. VNs are definitely more elaborate.

Gal-revenge games: There are a number of movies that explore that theme. A number of 70s exploitation films cover this kind of "Woman wronged and she's not going to take it any more". Kill Bill is an homage/parody/reimagining of such grindhouse fare, but it's based on dozens and dozens of films.