revenge of bishojo

[GlassKitten-chan]

[quote="DaFool"]Instead, the victim is often a schoolgirl or the sweetest thing imaginable. I don't get it. Rape is an act of violence more than that of lust or passion. You rape someone whom you perceive as a threat, as a subconscious means of declaring your triumph over this threat./quote]

Too bad the sweet schoolgirl thing is not unrealistic. We get news headlines nowadays about raped, very dead moekko found in the woods and such. My sister also met the kind of person who would play such games: A porn addict by age 14, he had a habit of threatening to rape her and on a separate occasion informed her that it would be cool to have sex with someone "shy and innocent" like herself. We are all looking forward to when he graduates and leaves her school.

[Enerccio]

Instead, the victim is often a schoolgirl or the sweetest thing imaginable. I don't get it. Rape is an act of violence more than that of lust or passion. You rape someone whom you perceive as a threat, as a subconscious means of declaring your triumph over this threat.

Too bad the sweet schoolgirl thing is not unrealistic. We get news headlines nowadays about raped, very dead moekko found in the woods and such. My sister also met the kind of person who would play such games: A porn addict by age 14, he had a habit of threatening to rape her and on a separate occasion informed her that it would be cool to have sex with someone "shy and innocent" like herself. We are all looking forward to when he graduates and leaves her school.

Where are you from?

[DaFool]

We get news headlines nowadays about raped, very dead moekko found in the woods and such.

The quality of men and boys has indeed degenerated in recent years. Whether this is a result of feminism, I am not too sure, but I am researching.

Some may also argue that men have always sucked all throughout history, but I also read of accounts by WWII veterans who are ashamed at the behavior of modern men and claimed that if they knew the later generations would suck this much, they wouldn't have fought so hard.

Of course, this 'later generation' means us.
Yup, we're the wicked corrupt morally-repugnant yung-uns who play h-games all right.

Well, there's the violence, which is totally unacceptable. And there's also reports of blowjobs in middle school. And people wonder why extremist religious fanatics are increasing...

[Enerccio]

We get news headlines nowadays about raped, very dead moekko found in the woods and such.

The quality of men and boys has indeed degenerated in recent years. Whether this is a result of feminism, I am not too sure, but I am researching.

Some may also argue that men have always sucked all throughout history, but I also read of accounts by WWII veterans who are ashamed at the behavior of modern men and claimed that if they knew the later generations would suck this much, they wouldn't have fought so hard.

Of course, this 'later generation' means us.
Yup, we're the wicked corrupt morally-repugnant yung-uns who play h-games all right.

Well, there's the violence, which is totally unacceptable. And there's also reports of blowjobs in middle school. And people wonder why extremist religious fanatics are increasing...

True True...
h-games is correct for me, other is not
But personally i think, players of h-games or visual novels are less violent or anything... they can play some rape game to get away excitement not doing it in real... or at least i think...

[lordcloudx]

I agree with dafool though I don't think the moral degradation is limited to just men.

I believe it has something to do with the changing standards of morality and what is considered acceptable in any culture. The media is largely to blame too. For example, pre-marital sex is more or less considered a... ahem necessity before entering marriage, especially among teens and young adults, while sometime back in the 60s and 70s the opposite was true (well... according to my mother at least, since I wasn't even born back then.

Too bad the sweet schoolgirl thing is not unrealistic. We get news headlines nowadays about raped, very dead moekko found in the woods and such. My sister also met the kind of person who would play such games: A porn addict by age 14, he had a habit of threatening to rape her and on a separate occasion informed her that it would be cool to have sex with someone "shy and innocent" like herself. We are all looking forward to when he graduates and leaves her school.

If someone like that was after my sister, I would personally hunt him down and beat him up till he's impotent. He'd be lucky to graduate. Good thing my sis is a lawyer with an attitude who'd have him behind bars with civil damages to boot for just making a threat like that. (bugbog crado yan sa mga pulis!)

on a side note: did anyone else here grow up with Archie Comics? I believe this is the kind of wholesome yet entertaining media without the religious propaganda that we need more of nowadays. Although, I don't like how they're trying to cash in on the anime fanbase with their so-called "Sabrina Manga"

[papillon]

pish, there's nothing new under the sun. rape, prostitution, underage sex, stds, drugs, everything that we think of as horrible and modern has been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years and people were mumbling about moral degradation and the collapse of society then too.

and sometime in the 60s and 70s people were having a lot MORE sex than they are now. Free love movement, anyone? Condoms, the pill, and penicillin meant that people thought nothing bad could possibly happen anymore... Then came AIDS.

EVERY generation is shocked at the youth as they grow older.

And nowadays with the information explosion, it's much easier to find out about all the horrible things that happen. Most shocking news stories have nothing to do with you personally. That doesn't mean you shouldn't worry about them or shouldn't care about the woes of others, but it does mean you have to balance 'terrible things happen to some people' with 'terrible things are NOT happening to MOST people'

It's really dangerous to start thinking of the time you live in as a lost time and a time without morals because that tempts YOU to behave badly... after all, if everyone else is doing it, what's the point? If you're doomed anyway, why bother being good?

... for that matter, ISTR that's the *plot* of several rape-based hentai games. A character who thinks either he personally is doomed, or the world is, and therefore goes on a rampage...

[lordcloudx]

Papillon: maybe so, I'll take your word for it if you're speaking from experience. However, I'll still take a firm stand that there has been rapid moral degradation in the recent years within my lifetime and the media contributed to that a lot, but I guess a quantitative research with actual data would be more convincing, but I don't have that.

Just as an example, there have been 5 cases of little girls with ages ranging from 7-10 being raped by different lone teenagers in the local radio news report last week. And I live in a very small city that is literally a dust mite on the world map. And no, we don't have serial rapists or serial killers here, that's a psychological problem prevalent in highly urbanized and developed countries and not in third-world Philippines.

As for the "free-love" movement during the 60s and 70s, that's around the time that we as a country were struggling against a dictator (whose name is similar to my real name) who declared martial law and did a lot of good for the economy during the first few years of his reign but later on put the country in great debt and had people who pissed him off, or his wife or cronies killed off by the police secretly in the so-called "salvage" or "S" killings.

So the people from "here" back then didn't have the luxury of participating in this free-love etc.

Also, I've found that most shocking news stories where I'm from do affect people directly, since my city is so small that almost everyone is related to each other in one way or another, or have been classmates, colleagues, co-participants in some activity, at one time.

[mikey]

It's really dangerous to start thinking of the time you live in as a lost time and a time without morals because that tempts YOU to behave badly... after all, if everyone else is doing it, what's the point? If you're doomed anyway, why bother being good?

If nothing else, just so - because (actually quite weirdly) in a state where the majority is behaving badly, being good is a rebellion. It's the whole free love thing upside down. *draws flag with heart* One life, one love, yaaaaay!! ^_^

[lordcloudx]

It's really dangerous to start thinking of the time you live in as a lost time and a time without morals because that tempts YOU to behave badly... after all, if everyone else is doing it, what's the point? If you're doomed anyway, why bother being good?

If nothing else, just so - because (actually quite weirdly) in a state where the majority is behaving badly, being good is a rebellion. It's the whole free love thing upside down. *draws flag with heart* One life, one love, yaaaaay!! ^_^

hoo boy! I'm feeling talkative today. much as I don't want to admit it, I enjoy these discussions too.

back to the topic . Maybe I'm just being idealistic but yeah, I believe that even if he/she believes that the world loves to be bad, a person with strong principles (or an innately rebellious personality) will still do good.

[papillon]

Oh, of course a person with a strong personality will continue to do good no matter what. Media changes won't affect them either. Sadly not everyone is strong.

And you're right, I forgot you're from a different country, I have no idea what the situation is like where you're from or has been over the past fifty years, I was speaking from an American/British perspective. We suck that way.

[lordcloudx]

hehe yeah I guess it's easy to forget that we're not all from the same part of the globe. I have no first-hand idea what it's like from your side either.

Speaking of which, It's 4:32 AM on this part of the blue planet, so oyasumi or good night or morning or wateva to all. This is my final post for now, till I get some sleep.

[Blue Lemma]

I will respond to some things from the point of view of the United States (where I live).

The quality of men and boys has indeed degenerated in recent years. Whether this is a result of feminism, I am not too sure, but I am researching.

Some may also argue that men have always sucked all throughout history, but I also read of accounts by WWII veterans who are ashamed at the behavior of modern men and claimed that if they knew the later generations would suck this much, they wouldn't have fought so hard.

Of course, this 'later generation' means us.
Yup, we're the wicked corrupt morally-repugnant yung-uns who play h-games all right.

I wonder what the basis is for saying this. Surely the times have brought about cultural changes, such as no longer asking a father's permission to "go steady" with his daughter, having more premarital sex, etc. but not much more. Would most say that these things make the current generation suck so bad, the United States should have just let Germany, Japan, and Italy take over everything? I don't get it. Also, any older person who is dismayed at the state of the newer generations should point the finger at his/her own generation first for raising its children in a fashion resulting in the accused inappropriate behavior. Kids don't just band together across countries and decide to suck.

Well, there's the violence, which is totally unacceptable. And there's also reports of blowjobs in middle school. And people wonder why extremist religious fanatics are increasing...

Yes, violence is unacceptable. However, violence has actually been decreasing. It's at about half the levels of 30 years ago:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm
Rape and sexual assault are also on the decline:
http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html

So why does everyone think the world is going to pot? Why are males getting so horrible?
The answer is simple: The media. TV, Internet, and all that good stuff. (right on, lordcloudx!)
Even though horrific crimes happened in the past, people wouldn't hear about them so much. Now, all you have to do is turn on the 6:00 news or hit Google and you'll get bombarded with tales of gore and rape and whatever else will make people watch. It's what sells, so it's what they focus on. In fact, they've had "good news" programs before, but they've folded due to lack of viewership. People tend to focus on what is bad, what is scary, and what appeals to our primal emotions.

Increased awareness of a bad thing doesn't mean there's more of that bad thing. Just more complaining about it and feeling crappy.

So lighten up on us guys, everyone!

As for the blowjobs and religious extremists... Not to be light on way underage sexual activity, but civilization will survive blowjobs. Trust me. It's odd to mention the religious extremists in the same paragraph, too, because they tend to resort to violence sooner than most. And the countries from which the most hardcore extremists come from tend to treat their women terribly by comparison. Blowjobs are terrible, but killing a woman because she was raped is okay? It's easy to see this is nothing more than hypocrisy.

[teankun]

The media has quite a bit to do situation including attitudes. Part of the reason I started this thread is to explore the double standard often petruated about pedophiles. If an adult male has sexual relations with a young girl (as portrayed in many h-games), the man is portayed as a predator and the scum of the earth, the girl got victimized, and situation is tragic. If an adult female has sexual relations with a young boy, the woman is at worse portayed as an easy slut, the boy got lucky, and the siutation is amusing if not humorous.

[PyTom]

http://www.youdamnkid.com/d/20061114.html

This site is, in general, NSFW.

[lordcloudx]

lol that was good in a naughty sort of way.

I'm catholic and I disagree with a lot of the stuff said in sermons or mandatorily taught in schools.