neowired wrote:
Nop, I'm pretty sure I've see this happen in live many times. Guys discriminate toward other guys, it's only natural. Also most often than not guys do lot of nice things for women, even if just to get in their pants.
Point in case guys discriminate toward other guys a lot.
Many times I've seen women very vindictive and unfair towards other women, while men are sort of disregarded as not really something to focus on.
Maybe it's different in your country/city, I wouldn't know
I never said men don't pick on other men or women don't pick on other women. Of course they do! People pick on people. But wandering in and saying "actually it's mostly women who pick on other women, not men" will get you negative reactions in a lot of places, because when
some people say that, they're using it as a preamble for "so feminism shouldn't exist and you girls should stop nagging me".
(Which makes no sense anyway, because it's obvious that there are some very blatantly anti-feminist women out there who are indeed the subject of feminist criticism, and that doesn't mean feminism should disappear in a puff of logic.)
Also I'm pretty sure it's not because of men that most shops offer 10 different shades of pink clothes for women. And it's not because of women that finding pink clothes for guys is close to impossible
You
do know that not very long ago pink was considered an exclusively masculine color in Western culture and inappropriate for women to wear, right?
The color-coding is a cultural thing affected by various pressures that wax and wane, especially in marketing. There's a push at the moment in, say, kids toys and clothes, to never have anything unisex but to carefully code it all as "for boys" and "for girls". So you end up with aisles painted hot pink so everyone can tell what the girls stuff is - and then as girls become accustomed to knowing things are meant for them because they're pink, non-pink things can see sales fall, and things become even more pink... and when pink is heavily coded as "for girls", boys taking anything pink get mocked roundly by other boys around them and learn to avoid pink, and so on.
Of course, my father had at least one pale pink shirt when I was young and the guy at the checkout counter at the shop I was just at was wearing a pink t-shirt so it's not that impossible.
I'm a guy, and I have a great distaste for high hells, I would rather have women wear shoes which look more comfortable and more healthy (sports shoes maybe?). When I see women in high hells it hurts me to just look at it.
See? You have your own opinion.
Some women LIKE wearing high heels, some don't. Some men think high heels are hot, some don't. You like what you like, and you gravitate towards people who share your likes. What makes me roll my eyes is certain people who bill themselves as evo-psych that take some current trend in modern western culture and try to invent some spurious biological explanation to prove that this current trend is Right and Predestined.
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As I said, my experience so far has been exclusively with feminists who would have happily ignored any men's input on any discussion, so even a place with SOME reasonable people is a great start.
*nod* And also, going along with my earlier statement, being female I would be less likely to personally notice feminists actively excluding men, since it wouldn't happen to ME. I know there are some "women's" communities that refuse to accept trans women because they suspect them of being EVIL MEN IN DISGUISE or something but I know this because my group is trans-friendly and therefore calls them out for that.
