Why are eroge / hentai games less popular here?

[Hero]

hmm to be honest I'm not really interested in the H part of a game as the main interest..
I guess in a game its the progress kinda like an acomplishment..

.(not saying girls ahem or boys are prizes to be won or some type of conquest.)

I've never played an actual H game.. but I like the idea of relationship simulation,
holding hands kissing etc. these are like goals and the heartpounding and slightly awkward moments shared between two people breaks that outter shell of the norm ..

Hentai for the sake of hentai alone Is not my cup of tea,yet if delivered right with chemistry over a period of time with romance then it seems fullfilling , after all sharing a personal part of ones self with someone special is so much more deeper than just some easy degrading strip show, If looking at an H-game the sexual content to me wouldn't be the main concern,
It's how the material is unaturally forced easy come easy goe not worth it. (my personal thoughts I don't wan't to catch some kinda virtual mental STD.)

If an H game capture this image instead of the blantant direct image that porn has than I think that is a good thing,seeing and enjoying the beauty of the human body with respect and without the feeling of shame.

[Lekhaka]

Am I the only one who was fascinated by PyTom's recount of EVN history? Or maybe it's because I'm just the newest of newbies?

What else can you share with us and where can I find more about the history of VN? And why do you expect that particular title (Katawa Shoujo) to spring a fourth wave?

[PyTom]

[ I've moved this to the GMC, because there's nothing requiring it to stay in the hentai section, and it's interesting. ]

Why do I think that KS will be the source of a new wave of developers? Well, I've been to multiple anime cons where people have cosplayed as KS characters. I'm pretty sure that at sakuracon, I saw the full set of characters at one point. If it generates this much interest as a beta, how much interest will it develop as a release? While interest doesn't necessarily translate into people making their own games, I think it's a good predictor in the macroscopic sense.

[Hero]

hmm I guess waves of evolution in visual novels reflect on the relation of creator culture and those playing so yes, KS seems pretty proffesional almost looks like a VN made by in Japan(like it or not otaku's eat that up) the Story is very original and has a fair amount character development and life decessions involved to engage immerse and captivate the player into its world..

Not
many renpy VNs on this scale yet , I heard they weren't going to add an option to turn off the H scenes in the final product though, I wonder if that will have and effect of excluding some of the younger players.

[LVUER]

Since we're talking about a hentai game here... Most of everyone here talked about VN eroge games, meaning VN with sex scene. But how about a "full/real" game eroge games. Like RPG, shooting games, or other games with sex scene. Is it popular? Or not?

[LateWhiteRabbit]

I tend to like VNs with an erotic element, but I want to work for it, or have a loving or intimate scene be the culmination of a relationship. I tend to dislike the straight-up hentai games where you end up in a sex scene every ten minutes. Years ago I ended up getting "Do You Like Horny Bunnies?" from a friend at a convention as a gag since the title is just - odd. Very odd. That game rail-roads you into a sex a scene with every girl with no effort on your part. I had more fun playing the game trying not to sleep with anyone (note: impossible. All my efforts resulted in sleeping with every girl except one. And that is actively trying NOT to do so.)

I kind of like how it is handled in games like True Love '95, where you have to work hard to become friends with and date a girl before any "hentai" scenes are shown. Even then, I prefer them not to be graphic.

I think pure hentai VNs aren't as popular because at least in the English speaking world, if a lay person hears you are playing an "anime porn" game, they are automatically going to assume you are raping cartoon children. Nudity and porn in general are extremely looked down on in the U.S. - if the "sex scenes" in a Bioware Mass Effect game get news casters angry and the public stirred up, who is going to admit to playing or MAKING a game with actual sex scenes. Worse, some moronic people think that games using "cartoon graphics" containing sex are trying to seduce and groom children and make them more easy to rape, because you know, "no adult plays a game with cartoon graphics".

So eroge and hentai have a huge negative stigma to overcome, and a lot of VN makers are just not ready to assault that culture wall of ignorance.

Plus, you know, speaking as an artist, drawing naked people is fine and easy. (Hell, I do it three times a week. People just get naked for me in a room and I draw them! The horror!) Professionally trained artists learn their craft drawing nudes. Easy as pie. Now, sex scenes? Things going in other things? Sweat, contortions, bodily fluids? Awkward. All very very awkward. So yeah, artists don't like drawing sex scenes so much. And an eroge or hentai VN without sex scenes is just words.

[Adorya]

Since we're talking about a hentai game here... Most of everyone here talked about VN eroge games, meaning VN with sex scene. But how about a "full/real" game eroge games. Like RPG, shooting games, or other games with sex scene. Is it popular? Or not?

You will find ton of blogs, websites and forums about the "sex in game" case and particularly the place of the woman in AAA games. It has also been discussed here in threads I remember but couldn't find again, but the general consensus was "sexiness serves as an attraction factor for male buyer and sex is added as a non important part of the gameplay".

And as the male hardcore players are still the majority of AAA game buyer it's considered as "popular", though now the player base is shared with the whole causual players base.

[LVUER]

Non-important part of the gameplay... if the sex is an important of gameplay? Or at least if the sex scene incorporate intensive gameplay?

[pondrthis]

Or at least if the sex scene incorporate intensive gameplay?

You mean like that mini-game which was turned off in a GTA game that got hacked and put everyone in deep shit with rating agencies and whatnot?

Sex gameplay is a sex simulation. I don't want to simulate sex. I'm worn out enough from pleasing 3D women, I want to sit back and enjoy the 2D. Damn, if I actually had to work to please 2D women, I would drop my love of 2D entirely.

A more interesting question to me is this: why are mature games PERIOD less popular on Lemma? There are things that can make a story "not for preteens" besides explicit sex. There's violence, disturbing horror, and adult themes like drug addiction and (non-explicit) sexual abuse. What's the deal there?

[MaiMai]

I'll give a brief two cents of why hentai games are less popular--

Experience.

Write what you know! That's what they usually say. Unfortunately, not all of us are experienced in sexual relations. I'd feel fairly awkward trying to write a very detailed love scene without being able to imagine the sensations myself. I'd sort of feel like a sham even if I could get a punch of reference material (cue Internet is for Porn song). But yeah, lack of experience is just a guess on my part.

[Greeny]

I'll give a brief two cents of why hentai games are less popular--

Experience.

Write what you know! That's what they usually say. Unfortunately, not all of us are experienced in sexual relations. I'd feel fairly awkward trying to write a very detailed love scene without being able to imagine the sensations myself. I'd sort of feel like a sham even if I could get a punch of reference material (cue Internet is for Porn song). But yeah, lack of experience is just a guess on my part.

Nonsense! Just tap into the Common Consciousness - instant sex guru status!

[J. Datie]

Nonsense! Just tap into the Common Consciousness - instant sex guru status!

...You mean the Internet? Because 99.8% of that information won't be useful outside of, uh, special interest stories.

[papillon]

Nonsense! Just tap into the Common Consciousness - instant sex guru status!

...You mean the Internet? Because 99.8% of that information won't be useful outside of, uh, special interest stories.

When a car and a dinosaur love each other very much...

[LVUER]

It's like writing any other stories, right? Those people who write mecha stories surely never ride one before. And people who write ghost stories never become ghost themselves. Of course it's still different than having experienced it yourself, but you could gather information from internet, the rest just use your (wildest) imagination.

@pondrthis:
I never play Hot Coffe, so I couldn't comment on that... but what I mean before is game like Cobra City (is the title right? I only remember the Cobra something in the title). It's a RPG with occasional sex scene (and it's very hard, it's possible to get "game over" during this scene -_- ). Or a full sex game like ...

Rapeplay, Artificial Girl series, Oppai Slider series, etc

[papillon]

Well, there's a difference when dealing with sex as opposed to ghosts and mecha - that being that you CAN do these things in the real world, and people who don't have the faintest idea how to do them will sometimes take your writing as an instruction manual. That can be problematic if you were just making it up.

Now that we've moved out of LHH I can't provide examples, but back when I used to review hentai fanfiction I would occasionally come across people who were EXTREMELY CONFUSED about anatomy. I really hope someone sat them down and explained a few things before they ever got romantic partners.