Why are eroge / hentai games less popular here?

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Re: Why are eroge / hentai games less popular here?

#31 Post by Samu-kun »

Well, there's a difference when dealing with sex as opposed to ghosts and mecha - that being that you CAN do these things in the real world, and people who don't have the faintest idea how to do them will sometimes take your writing as an instruction manual. That can be problematic if you were just making it up.

Now that we've moved out of LHH I can't provide examples, but back when I used to review hentai fanfiction I would occasionally come across people who were EXTREMELY CONFUSED about anatomy. I really hope someone sat them down and explained a few things before they ever got romantic partners.
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Sometimes though, I really wonder what the big deal is about "writing what you know." I mean, you are making a story. I don't expect stories to contain fully real life accurate descriptions of many things because it'd be too dull. Fiction embellishes certain aspects of reality and cuts out the boring and irrelevant bits to make a compelling narrative.

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#32 Post by LVUER »

And by giving a gameplay to the sex scene, you could replace text with mouse clicks (or keyboard). Meaning less inaccuracy in your part. All you need is some interactivity... and some "ah uh" female voices.
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#33 Post by Greeny »

Interactivity in a sex scene really sacrifices a lot of the scene's integrity.
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#34 Post by luminarious »

Unless you make it a text adventure, replacing everything with obscure euphemisms in the process! Only then will the whole process start to realistically emulate two practically-virgins trying to get at it, as opposed to the average eroge where through sheer force of will the virgin main character fumbles everybody to orgasm within minutes of getting their clothes off for the first time.

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luminarious wrote:Only then will the whole process start to realistically emulate two practically-virgins trying to get at it, as opposed to the average eroge where through sheer force of will the virgin main character fumbles everybody to orgasm within minutes of getting their clothes off for the first time.
See? Eroges are plain PORN! xD
I also consider a kind of porn for girls to read those cliche romance stories, haha. It's only purpose is self-satisfaction and to give you pleasant feeling (of whatever kind those may be).

I've only played through one translated game with sex scenes ever (I don't play many VNs, I just like looking and collecting the pretty art in them) and... wow, it was so ridiculous xDDD I kept IMing my friends while playing it and laughing on the floor at the whole thing, lol. And the music! Oh dear! XDDDD

*cough*

Now, I think people may stay away from including explicit sex on their stories because their stories can live without them and they'd rather cater to a wider audience that way.
Also there are some many mistakes on amateurishly drawn sex scenes (if they're not tracing a real photo or something) , that it's actually intimidating for some people to even try. It was intimidating for me, at least, and what I had to draw wasn't even that explicit >>;
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#36 Post by MaiMai »

As for someone who has played VNs, I could pretty much live without the sex scenes. I read VNs for story, not porn. That's personal preference though, if there's explicit scenes, so be it, but I don't feel like it's a necessary element in VNs.
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luminarious wrote:Only then will the whole process start to realistically emulate two practically-virgins trying to get at it, as opposed to the average eroge where through sheer force of will the virgin main character fumbles everybody to orgasm within minutes of getting their clothes off for the first time.
That's always been the most unrealistic factor to me, even more than how many times the protagonist can do it in a row.

I've often wondered why such a huge percentage of games cater halfheartedly to the sadistic "deflowering fetish". I mean, it would be much more effective if the eroge genre weren't inundated with it... it could instead be done for maybe one heroine per game, and be even more sadistic and awkward (i.e. realistic in many cases). Guessing the heroine who would cause the bloody mess would then be a sort of messed-up minigame. Plus, thinking about your partner's experience level and who came before you is normal and an important part of forging a sexual relationship with someone in the 21st century.

I guess the age of the heroines has something to do with it. We need more college girls.

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pondrthis wrote: @MaiMai: Necessary, no. Enjoyable, yes.
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#39 Post by Hero »

LOL truth is I don't care about Hentai I just care about feeling close to those who have a spirit I love. I guess hentai games are less popular to some cause they just want more than something unfilling like fluff and cotton candy...

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#40 Post by Tachyglossus »

I would say it boils down to culture. There is a variety of ethnicities on this forum, and explicit sex is reacted to very differently around the world. Therefor, to be accessible to the ages and cultures of other people, sex is one of those things people prefer to play safe with. It's a powerful and provocative tool.

That is just the guess of someone new to VN's entirely and behind on the cultures and trends surrounding them.

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#41 Post by Blue Lemma »

I was looking at some old archived posts for nostalgia, and it was posted back in 2006:
I wouldn't expect this particular ending to be in the final game. But Lemma has promised that the final game will have similar levels of ecchiness. In fact, he has repeatedly bemoaned the general lack of ecchiness around here.
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#42 Post by yummy »

As previously said, it's only a matter of experience.

But not on the actual performance, I think most of the people who read this forum got laid at least once, and even so, it's not really that hard to imagine how everything works if you haven't.

Rather than that, most of the community is not experienced enough in matters of erotica storytelling. I don't mean it in the bad way, it's just that most of us just don't write erotic stories or aren't used to write them as a hobby.

So even for the experienced mainstream storyteller, a simple erotica story could mean considerable brain aches. Thus not writing it or being very undecisive as to how to write it so there's at least a response (preferably related to it) coming out from it.

But providing visuals is paradoxically, quite easy.

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#43 Post by papillon »

I think most of the people who read this forum got laid at least once,
I really wouldn't be so sure about that without checking. :) Especially with the younger members!
and even so, it's not really that hard to imagine how everything works if you haven't.
... you'd be surprised. Again, see many a terrible fanfic.

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#44 Post by pondrthis »

yummy wrote:I think most of the people who read this forum got laid at least once.
I think anyone with experience can tell you that what you learn from "once" and what you learn from "regularly" are two very different things. Similarly, what you learn from "regularly for a year" and "regularly for many years" are also very different.

Once is still nowhere near enough to know about sex... and you sure as hell can't "imagine" any more than where to put what.

Since I'm hetero-experienced, let's see what I can imagine for homosexuality (in men)... any gay men around can grade my confusion!

...Umm... I know where the thing goes... but how rough am I supposed to do it/take it? Is there etiquette for how you're supposed to start and then match your partner's preferences? How often am I supposed to re-lubricate? (I mean, women do that automatically...) What are the signs of pain and/or pleasure in a man? Is that mythical "reacharound" really commonplace or is it just a joke? I don't even know the positions, goddammit, I'm so lost...!

If I tried to write an explicit gay scene, it would be ridiculous. Same with a threesome.

You need more than "getting laid at least once" to write even a fantasy-oriented scene, let alone a realistic one.

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#45 Post by LVUER »

yummy wrote:I think most of the people who read this forum got laid at least once
Not me.
papillon wrote:I really wouldn't be so sure about that without checking. :) Especially with the younger members!
I'm pretty old but I haven't done that. This "getting laid" things is really depends on culture and tradition... So sex could be something offensive in some country, heck, it's a sensitive things to talk in almost all country, isn't it?

Agh... what am I talking about here!?
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